Look at E-Bay :-(((

[peter wibrew]

Here, here, to all that Bryan, sorry to everyone about the 'high horse'
yesterday but I really do believe people should not make any cash WHATSOEVER
from CDR bootlegs, regardless of whether or not they recorded it, even for
burning it, If I burn a 70 min CD at 2x, I don't sit at my computer for 35
mins, I have a life, and go and do something while my CD's are burning, do
you want to pay me for doing my washing up?. Thought not......DO NOT PAY FOR
CDR BOOTLEGS there are plenty of decent people out there willing to share
their music, just ask, what can they say?.no?.. I found most people to be
very decent, which is probably why I feel the way I do.
I do think a tree stucture would be a good Idea dosn't even have to be
limited to hawkshows, the current tree on erpnotes is carrying Ozric and
Shakti shows.
before I go , I did mail e-bay yesterday and got a standard reply ( pasted
below ).
Enjoy the rest of your hols. looking forward to Friday

Peter


Hello Peter,

Thanks for your email!

We have reviewed the auction you have brought to our attention and taken
appropriate action.  We would also like to explain eBay's policy with
respect to reports like yours.  eBay is not in a position to make
judgments about the authenticity or authorized nature of auction items,
except in the most extreme circumstances.  This may mean that we cannot
remove the item about which you contacted us.  In some cases, we refer
the information to the owner of the rights (copyright, trademark, etc.)
involved, if we know who they are and how to contact them.

Although you may be extremely knowledgeable about these types of items,
we often cannot remove items upon the representations of third parties
whose credentials we cannot verify, unless of course the alleged
infringement is obvious on its face.  That is why we strongly urge you
to notify the rights holder of the suspected infringement and encourage
them to join our Verified Rights Owners (VeRO) Program (formerly called
Legal Buddy Program).  This program enables them to request the ending
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We appreciate your vigilance in helping us to keep inappropriate
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Regards,

Marvin
eBay Community Watch Team
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----- Original Message -----
From: BL Young <blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> I had tried my best to copy the "Theta Orionis" for anybody that wanted it
a
> few months back, but I only got about 4 takers.  I was doing it free (no
> money required for postage), just asking for a blank cdr to use for
copying.
>
> I think the best way to avoid seeing bootlegs on ebay is for all Hawkwind
> fans to network in a much better way, and form a group that freely
> distributes all bootlegged material.  It's not a good idea to pirate
> official releases, but if diehard fans want these bootlegs, then why not
> provide them in a way that profits nobody?  I believe at the time when I
> offered to copy Theta for all & sundry I suggested that if they ever meet
> Dave Brock or get an address, they should send him $5 (minimum).
>
> I'm really tempted to bid on the Hawkestra cdr set myself, as I've been
> trying to find this since the concert happened.  But why try to make money
> off the band you love?  If you really love Hawkwind, then why can't you
see
> that Dave & company should be reaping the dividends off this type of item?
> The Spaceship cannot continue to fly as long as others are earning filthy
> lucre and diverting the rightful profits elsewhere.
>
> Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well organized
> bootleg trees with very high quality standards and very stringent trading
> rules.  I think it's time Hawkwind fans created their own, as well.
There's
> a number of people with whom I've traded that will probably agree, and at
> least one I know has tried to set up trees and chains in the past, with
> limited success.
>
> I think with our connections we should be able to "one-up" these other
> bands, and set up a great structure whereby if a diehard fan really wants
> some bootleg recording, then they can get it.  I'm willing to put all of
my
> Hawkwind bootlegs (I've got a few available, but not as many as I'd like)
up
> for free dispersal.  If you want a non-legitimate release that I've got,
> then it's yours for the asking.  Just send me a blank, and I'll even cover
> return postage myself.  (Or if you've got a boot to trade, that's great,
> too.)
>
> And if anybody is willing to give me an address that will reach Dave Brock
> guaranteed (or a paypal account), then I'll even figure out some way to
send
> royalties each time, too.  (There must be some way to work this.)
>
> I've had all the Hawkwind offiical releases (except the passport cd) in
> various formats, and I'd never have sold any of them if some hadn't
offered
> ridiculous exorbitant amounts, but when they get rereleased I'll buy them
> again.  I'm not talking about legitimate releases, but certainly bootlegs
> contribute to the "fanatical" aspect of being a fan...
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> Bryan Young
> Saskatchewan, Canada
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernhard Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
> To: <BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:41 AM
> Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
>
>
> > Hi folks
> >
> > Shit happens!!!!
> >
> > This guy:
> >
> > reebank at hotmail.com
> >
> > is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at
> E-BAY
> >
> > Here is his description:
> > This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
> > great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or
> setlist.
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT A BIG SHAME!!!!
> >
> >
> > Does anyone here know who this guy is???
> >
> > I have noticed that 2 bidders have already bought this set
> >
> >
> > Bernhard