Official Post From Hawkwind

[Mike Montfort]

Colin

You said all trading and taping..

Not taping rights for a time period.

Perhaps we/you should have waited till we got the official announcement if
this is going to be the wording.  Could have stopped this whirlwind.  Which
I have happily added to.  If it is a permanent ban.  I stand by all my
words.  Regardless of the reason.. stopping trading and taping hurts a band
in the long run it doesn't help.  It can't help the band and it won't.

Darrin and I have the experience of the Jam band network.  I think that
experience is very valid and should not be dismissed as whining.

Mike

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::-----Original Message-----
::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
::Behalf Of Colin J Allen
::Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:11 PM
::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind
::
::
::I think Michael makes a very good point here;  the request is perfectly
::legitimate and I personally have no problem with it.  If any band say "no
::recording", then I will respect that utterly; there is no
::"right" to record
::a live performance, only a dispensation that bands may grant or
::withdraw as
::circumstances change.  Even the Ozrics, who are so
::taper-friendly that they
::actually sometimes do the taping for people(!), have withdrawn
::taping rights
::from time to time.
::
::----- Original Message -----
::From: "Michael Blackman" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
::To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
::Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:29 PM
::Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind
::
::
::> Well some record companies wont fund a live album if the same
::material can
::> be obtained for free.  and I would rather have a record company funded
::live
::> album that is good quality than an audience recording -
::> If that is the potential case then it will be worth it.
::>
::> If people are going to give up on Hawkwind and "find another band" over
::> their (HW's)  perfectly legitimate request for fans not to tape/record
::live
::> shows then they are not fans at all.
::> Either that or they are simply acting like big babies to get there way.
::> Maybe they should threaten to hold their breath untill Hawkwind change
::their
::> mind about this new policy.
::>
::>
::>
::>
::> ----- Original Message -----
::> From: Mike Montfort <mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM>
::> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
::> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:50 AM
::> Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind
::>
::>
::> > Really Dumb move on the band's part.
::> >
::> > Lessee.. now ..
::> >
::> > 1) they won't come to America cause they have some previous problems
::with
::> > immigration.
::> >
::> > 2) now I can't collect the shows I miss cause they only tour
::in the UK.
::> >
::> > 3) Think it's time to turn in my HWKWND plates and find another band.
::> >
::> > 4) People will still record.. that wont stop.
::> >
::> > 5) recordings will sound worse.
::> >
::> > 6) worse recordings will gather in fewer new fans to buy
::their sporadic
::> > releases.
::> >
::> > 7) fewer new fans means a stagnant or shrinking income steam.
::> >
::> > Yep sounds very bright to me.. but Dave is SOO not known for
::his bright
::> > business choices.  Apparently Dave has no understanding of the taper
::> > community phenomenon surrounding bands like Phish. the Dead/the Other
::> Ones,
::> > SCI etc etc etc.  These bands had relatively NO studio sales.  Taped
::shows
::> > brought in new fans.  New fans bought the few albums
::available and went
::to
::> > shows.  These bands became.. should I say it.. comfortably off from
::their
::> > music!
::> >
::> > so clueless
::> >
::> > Mike
::> >
::> > ________________________________
::> > I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.
::> >
::> > -- Joe Walsh
::> >
::>