Official Post From Hawkwind

[Mark Von Bargen]

i do hope that you are enjoying your dojo warrior copy.
the decision to request that all live taping and trading be stopped is very
sad but if that's how it must be then so be it.
By the way Nik asked for all of the mp3 files to be taken off the ICU site
last month. I believe they disappeared on 23rd November - wonder if there is
any connection?
The other thing that has happened recently was the number of posts about
people making and wanting cdr copies of officially released albums. i'm sure
that topic really impressed the band.
this is the only kidding bit ----
what we need now is for all of the hawkwind tribute bands to work together
and play replicants of every live show that hw ever played. somebody could
tape them shows and then share them out via the neo-tribute group that will
soon appear on yahoo.
mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Blackman" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind


> You wouldn't happen to have a spare ASAM for sale then would you?  :)
> Or anyone?? hehe
> I'm also sadly lacking a griffin Warrior cd - box or otherwise (but I was
> lucky enough to get a dojo copy - cheers! you know who you are!)
> The good news is that I have secured a QS&C cd!! Yahhhhoooo!!
>
> I fully understand and appreciate where you are coming from.  I also have
a
> huge need or wanting to hear as many recordings as possible.  Different
> version of favourite songs and possibly occassionally  some jams that I
may
> not have heard.
> and I freely admit that I have a nice collection of shows from 1970 to
2001
> to listen to.  Even the worst quality of the batch are a joy for me to
hear.
> But now that there has been word that the band would like concert
recording
> to cease and trading (whatever it is/was) to cease and that it will soon
be
> an official announcement I will personally choose to do that.
> Theres no way in hell I'm gonna look down on anyone if they choose to
> continue collecting and trading.
> But I will say something if I think an unfair comment is made about
> Hawkwind.
> The only reason I haven't bought a Yuri cd yet is because the cd's I need
to
> complete my collection are mostly in the extremly hi price range and only
> available seemingly via ebay apart from the new stuff that is becoming
> available thru voice print lately.   Its on the list but further down the
> list :)
>
> Peace
> Mb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Young <jwhe10 at SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Majka <jmajka2 at COMCAST.NET>
> > > > Actually, despite all the negative publicity, "Bring Me the Head of
> Yuri
> > > > Gagarin" is a fine quality bootleg recording...
> > > > ---snip---
> > > > The real problem is that it gets re-issued every other
> > > > week with a new title and artwork.
> >
> >
> > ----- The Reply Was -----
> > From: "Michael Blackman" <michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
> > > Ahhhhh.  Fair enough then.  Perhaps one day I will fork out the money.
> > But
> > > I need a few others before I get that one.  I would imagine that the
> > quality
> > > from release to re release is of the same quality so it wouldn't
matter
> > > which one I happened to buy? (be it the latest or the earliest
release)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Mb
> >
> > Everybody should have one copy of Yuri Gargarin, but I'm not sure
> everybody
> > should pay for their copy.  It's worth a listen, and it's got historical
> > significance.  I actually listened to one of my many copies last month
> > (using headphones) and was able to enjoy it for the first time ever.  I
> > listened to it as if it were a bootleg, and not as an album, and gave it
> the
> > technical listen I would give any other illicit recording (trying to
hear
> > flaws, such as tiny clicks, etc that might be improved upon in other
> > versions).  But to pay for it is something else, as it won't benefit the
> > band in any way.  I've bought it enough that I cringe now when I catch
> > myself getting yet another copy and forking over my cash.
> >
> > My point is actually this -- I've got about 5 of these Yuri Gagarin
discs,
> > even though I've never really enjoyed it.  From time to time I've had
some
> > money in my pocket, and I needed to buy Hawkwind, and the latest Yuri
> > Gagarin was all there was, so I've snapped them up.  It doesn't stop
> > there -- I've had every single Hawkwind title multiple times.  I've
often
> > sold some of them for money, but I've always bought them back again
later
> > elsewhere.  I've bought vinyl, cassettes, cds, videotapes, dvds, etc.
And
> > my collection is pretty insignificant compared to some of the guys out
> > there.
> >
> > So, considering that I've got everything (most in multiple quantities),
> and
> > that I'm continuing to buy more (on a continual basis), and I STILL NEED
> > MORE, does that make me a bit insatiable or something?  I understand
it's
> > totally the band's decision if they support or discourage any fan like
> > myself who might want to collect even more recordings.  I can't fault
them
> > either way -- they've got the freedom of choice.
> >
> > But you've argued tonight that we should not get disappointed when the
> band
> > makes such a decision.  You've written emails that say how the various
> live
> > albums should be good enough.  "There's lots of official live albums
from
> > every era, so that should be good enough."  But Michael, if your
> collection
> > doesn't even include Yuri Gagarin (and I've got many of them), then do
you
> > really understand where I'm coming from?  Do you really think you can
> > persuade me that I don't need any more live recordings?
> >
> > With some other bands that I collect (such as Blackmore's Rainbow), all
> the
> > songs basically sound the same, so one or two live recordings per tour
is
> > good enough.  No big deal.  But with Hawkwind, you might get a different
> > sound on each night.  There's a good chance of hearing something totally
> > unique from one night to the next.  This is part of the whole appeal of
> > Hawkwind to me.  Not only do I have a voracious appetite for listening
to
> > this band, I also have a compelling interest in building up some
> historical
> > archive of the various musical moments in the band.  If that means
seeking
> > out ten or fifteen live recordings per tour, then it sounds good to me.
> >
> > So you see, I think we're coming from slightly different perspectives.
You
> > say that you'll buy Yuri eventually, but that you've got a few others
you
> > need first.  I've got all the Yuri's that I can fit on my shelf (and
I'll
> > buy more if I find any other variations and if I have the cash on hand
> that
> > day), and I'm building up a stock of extra copies of the other more
> > essential albums, too.  And I'm not even what I'd consider a Kompletist.
> > (I've only been collecting for about 16-18 years, so I'm a raw rookie
> > compared to some people here.)
> >
> > So please, don't try to persuade me that a lack of taping for future
gigs
> > will not be disappointing for me.  I live so far from any city that even
> if
> > Hawkwind came to Canada I'd be too far away to see them play.  Any limit
> to
> > trading is going to be quite personally difficult to deal with.  Should
> you
> > feel sorry for me?   No.  Should the band change their policy to appease
> me?
> > No.  But should you try to persuade me that this was a good decision and
> > that there'll be plenty of official album releases to console me?  No,
> > that's impossible.  They'd have to come out with a new recording at
least
> > once a month to keep me busy and happy.  And that's not going to happen,
> > unless they begin releasing boots online.  (And not for download, as I'm
> on
> > a slow modem and won't be able to access anything that way....)
> >
> > Given the choice, I'd always take an official album over an audience
> > recording.  But there's only so much that you can buy, and then you've
got
> > it all, and then the audience recording starts to seem pretty important,
> > too....
> >
> > Sorry if this sounds personal, as I'm not angry at you in any way.
You're
> a
> > great guy, and I appreciate that you're sticking up for the band despite
> > some negative comments.  But I do hope to give you some added insight
and
> > perspective.  And I hope that I've not offended anybody here.
> >
> > That's all I've got on this thread (on this mailing list).  Peace to all
> the
> > Hawkpersons.
> >
> > Bryan
>