[Hawkwind] Digest Number 1061

Mon Nov 11 11:49:20 EST 2002

Personally, I had a wonderful time. It was quite a thrill playing new material with such amazing artists in our lineup. I will make some pics available on the One Eyed Bishops site with a few days, and perhaps upload one to the files section of this list group. Thanks so everyone. Here's the info on our setlist and personnel:

Sect Appeal
The Red Rooster
Ca The Yowes ( LBH)
Talk about Sufferin
Washboard Blues
Cumberland Gap
Muleskinner blues
Hurry On Sundown
* Smokestack Lightning

Lineup:

Mike Burro:            acoustic rhythm and lead guitar, tambourine, washboard & vocals
Jay Adcock:           djembe, vocals
Jim Klinger:             acoustic guitar, washtub bass, jug
Steve Miller:           washboard, kazoo, muted kazoo, jug
Bob Beach:             harmonicas, Flute, vocals
Adam Klein:             electric bass dulcimer, pennywhistle, bones, vocals
Constance Cook:      conga, dulcimer, vocals

* Adam & Constance are 'Little Blue Heron'
* Jim, Steve, & Bob are members of 'The Philadelphia Jugband'      

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Topics in this digest:

      1. The Landing Pad Space Rock Fest, the next morning (no HW content)
           From: hawkwinder at aol.com
      2. Re: Huw DVD video clip
           From: "Sofakingwetodid" <spaceritual at shaw.ca>
      3. HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER
           From: Alan Linsley <alankerren at yahoo.co.uk>
      4. Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight
           From: "colinjallen" <colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk>
      5. Re: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER
           From: "not_geneticallyengineered" <not at geneticallyengineered.co.uk>
      6. RE: Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight
           From: "Ben Fagin" <benfagin at blueyonder.co.uk>

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Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:43:54 EST
   From: hawkwinder at aol.com
Subject: The Landing Pad Space Rock Fest, the next morning (no HW content)

I'm curious how many people from this list showed up last night at the  
Rotunda?
I know of at least 2 people.....

Well, that asked, here is a brief rundown of the evening.
First off, ample food & drink provided by the space rock cook: Chef  
Jeff....Great stuff.
by 9 at night the venue had run out of seating. The said that was a hell of a  
lot more people there than they normally experience.
I apologize in advance for any thoughtless screw up on bands names etc....
The night started off with Mikronesia (one man thing) who also played in  
between bands as they were setting up. Creating great atmospheres.
The John Price Trio was absolutely amazing as expected. Possibly the  
highlight of the night for me.
The One Eyed Bishops pretty much had captured the audience with a flawless  
performance (I'll let Mike fill in the details, he'll know better than I  
about songs etc) and of course ended the set with the Hawkwind classic "Hurry  
on Sundown".
Radio Eris were most enjoyable, more spacey and eerie.
Alien Planetscapes were represented by Richie Orlando who did a superb solo  
job. He explained the he lost the rest of the band members for various  
reasons, and Doug Walker had broke his foot. I hope for Doug's quick  
recovery.
Red Masque were pretty tight and unusual at times, and although by that late  
hour about half the audience had left, they had us mesmerized with a solid  
show and interpretive dancing.
Scattered Planets went on close to 2AM owing partly to some bands going over  
in time, but were allowed to do a short set as the place remained open later  
than usual for us. Mainly because of the wonderful job Doug McMahan had done  
setting the event up, it would have been cruel to shut down before we played.  
Sadly during the course of the evening, the wonderful soundcheck we had done  
in the afternoon was completely undone by the needs of the other bands, so we  
played (what I consider) after a rushed and half-assed sound check, but  
managed to keep it together for about 1/2 hour and I believe pleased the  
remaining few that stuck it out that late. Big thanks to anyone out there  
that did.

We had a great time and talking to many folk there I think everyone else did.  

I think this event will be repeated in the near future, mostly likely with  
different artists, but hopefully as enjoyable as last night.
Bob

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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:58:13 -0000
   From: "Sofakingwetodid" <spaceritual at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Huw DVD video clip

Well I tried again and to no avail. When I try and watch it online all  
I get is gibberish text message and when I download th 1.8 meg file and  
try to open it with either Windows Media player 7 or quicktime I still  
get nothing.
I've been to your page Fee several times and have never had any problem  
with the video on your page.
Jeff
In Hawkwind at y..., "Fee Mercury Moon" <fee_mercury_moon at n...> wrote:
> Hi Jeff
>  
> It works for me.
>  
> Fee
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>   Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: Huw DVD video clip
>  
>  
>   For some reason I can't get it to play.
>   Any suggestions?
>   J
>   - In Hawkwind at y..., slitchfield at u... wrote:
>   > Just to say I'm uploading a video clip from the Huw Lloyd-Langton music  
>   > DVD, in Windows Media format, to the site. It's only 1.8MB for 1 min 45  
>   > seconds, so should be downloadable by almost everyone that's interested.
>   >  
>   > See http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/huwdvd.htm#video
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>   > Steve Litchfield
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Message: 3
   Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:32:39 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Alan Linsley <alankerren at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER

> --- DRider <Hawkwind at attbi.com> wrote:  
>Could someone please send us a review of this event

Well, as you asked. This is just a few comments, I
don’t pretend this is thorough or comprehensive.  
Sorry for those of you getting this three times...

- Inner City Pomp -  
This is what we got instead of the proposed ICU.  I
don’t know who the announcer was (possibly Andy
Dunkley) but he said something before this band came
on and I missed it all as I was getting food upstairs.
So as far as I can tell the band consisted of Nik,
Dave Anderson (bass), Naz (guitar), Jim Hawkman
(synths) and others I didn’t recognise on keyboards
and drums (could have been Dino but I didn’t recognise
him if it was).  It was pretty poor to start with but
improved a little.  Very loose & unrehearsed, not
surprising under the circumstances.  It seemed like a
ropey attempt at turning what would have a been a
bonafide ICU reunion with Trev & Steve into a kind of
Imperial Pompadours “wow it’s so crazy anything could
happen” type of thing.  I wasn’t too impressed.  
Numbers attempted and mostly massacred included Space
Invaders, Watching the Grass Grow, Bones of Elvis,
Little Black Egg, Gas Money.  I didn’t jot down a full
setlist coz I didn’t think it was worth it, but don't
worry coz Nik suggested we'd all just taken part in
the live album recording of the event.  Now there's a
surprise.  I suppose some credit must go to Nik for
trying to front this group at the last minute and hold
it together.  However, my take on ICU was that they
were never supposed to be The Nik Turner Band, I
always felt Trev & Fred & Steve were just as important
if not more so than Nik, whereas what we got here was
really just Nik & The Stand-ins.   If this is the
future of ICU, please save us Judge, you’re our only
hope!

- Tractor -
I’d never heard of this band until they started
getting promoted along with Nik’s band.  They’re a
duo, a singer/guitarist with a drummer/bongo player.  
I was very impressed.  They had a good strong sound,
very tight, quite professional, put ICP to shame.  
Fair play to them.  They did an encore with Eric Bell,
playing Whiskey In The Jar & another bluesy number.  
This was fun to hear, although he was one of those
good guitar players who just mumbles his vocals.

- Space Ritual.net -  
The line-up was Nik, Jim Hawkman on synths, woman on
bongos, bloke called Rhubarb on vocals, Mick Slattery,
Thomas Crimble, Jerry Richards & Hewitt-the-younger
(all on guitar), Ron Tree, Dave Anderson, Adrian Shaw
(all on bass), Terry & Sam Ollis (both on drums) plus
2 dancers.  Apart from Hewitt-the-younger, all of the
above were onstage at the same time throughout.  The
set was the same as Guilfest more or less, except
they’ve dropped the Coltrane number (which was Blue
Train I think) and In The Mood (coz Inner City Pomp
did that), and instead they have put in a new number
that Thomas sang (called It’s Alright or something
similar) and they’re also doing Born To Go now – I
remember somebody requested it at Guilfest but as Mick
didn’t know it they didn’t play it then.  Other
numbers were Orgone Accumulator, D-Rider (a definite
high-point, some nice flute there), Brainstorm, Master
of the Universe, Silver Machine.  Can’t remember the
precise order.  Nick Calvert joined in for Silver
Machine.  How was it?  It was driving powerful
early-HW-type noise somme of the time, a cacophony of
unrehearsed pub-rock the rest of the time.  Master was
a good example – exciting to hear it and arguably they
try to play it with more energy than HW do, but it was
still a loose mess with 3 bass players all managing to
get it wrong.

I suppose it all depends what you think a "party" gig
should be.  We all know the stories about the PinkWind
din sessions in the early 70s, the Deviants & The
Pretty Things used to do the same in the 60s, but that
was at the end of the evening, when both bands had
already done their "proper" thing.  This is clearly
the spirit Nik is trying to evoke.  But having all the
guests on at once throughout the whole set muddied
things and detracted from the sound rather than
enhance it IMHO.  For example I can’t honestly say I
heard a good guitar break all evening, Mick’s playing
was sadly lost in the overall noise, as was Jerry’s.  
Ron Tree did very little in the way of vocals, he
looked hemmed in physically and musically, no room to
express himself.  I was never a big fan of Ron but
you’ve got to admit he had/has character and energy,
and none of that was expressed last night, he just
stood there looking thoroughly sheepish throughout.  A
few words about the Ollis duo though – they are
superb, Terry’s drumming seems perfectly suited to
this kind of stripped down basic early-HW-style music.
If I had to sum this performance up I’d say that I
think I preferred the basic band at Guilfest (Nik,
Mick, Thomas, Terry & Sam, Jim), although that could
have been the novelty value of seeing them for the
first time.  The overall impression at Mean Fiddler
was one of quantity over quality, very much a case of
"forget the music, just look at all the names we’ve
got up here! Of course you can’t hear most of them but
hey they used to be in Hawkwind so have fun!" etc etc.
Plenty of people seemed to be enjoying themselves,
and I certainly did for some of it.  

- politics -
Unlike Guilfest, I didn’t hear any preaching from the
stage about “We’re not trying to be Hawkwind honest
guv”, the court case, Nik doing his “I’m so innocent”
act etc.  Neither was the “spirit of Barney
Bubbles/Bob Calvert” invoked, which is good coz I’m
getting heartily sick of this lot dragging up any name
they can think of to justify what they’re doing.

- venue -
I missed the gig last year where people seem to have
been treated so badly at this place.  I personally had
no problem last night, I found the staff amiable and
friendly and was not herded out at the end, despite
hanging around chatting to people after the band had
finished.

Would I go again?  Not to another GTruckers party,
possibly to another straight SpaceRitual.net gig
though, probably Southampton next year coz Judge Trev
might play Black Raven in his support slot.  
Otherwise, roll on the real HAWKWIND in December I
say, with Bedouin and Silver Machine to keep us going
til then!

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Message: 4
   Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:32:38 -0000
   From: "colinjallen" <colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight

Gosh, we must have been at different gigs; perhaps I went to the  
wrong venue and that is why it sounded so awful!

Seriously, ICU/P were a shambles, as expected.  Tractor were  
technically good in a dull sort of way.

Space Ritual were, IMHO, very poor; far too many people on stage and  
no real sense of direction or timing.  The 2 decent musicians (Jerry  
Richards and Adrian Shaw) were inaudible most of the time amid the  
general cacophony; different parts of the "band" appeared to be  
playing in different keys and at different tempos for much of the  
time.  Thankfully, the set was rather short (about 80 minutes), which  
was a blessing really!

Colin

--- In Hawkwind at y..., "dreamworker" <rob at d...> wrote:
> We got there a bit late, so missed "ICU". Mates who'd endured that  
set said
> we hadn't missed out on anything.
>  
> Tractor were excellent.  Really good 60s vibe with a modern sound.
>  
> Spaceritual.net were much, much better than we expected, I have to  
say -
> I've heard a few shows on CD and mates who were there had seen them  
at
> Glastonbury, Canterbury and Guildford.  It started off OK, but  
really ramped
> up all through the set until by the end they were blinding.
>  
> - Volume on the mics was crap, so it was difficult to hear the  
vocals.
> - Terry Ollis did a fantastic job, everyone I spoke to commented on  
that.
> - Nik was in fine form, and I'm not his greatest fan, although that  
rubber
> suit could do with a spray of Febreze !!
> - We couldn't decide who exactly was doing all the really good bass  
bits
> (sorry to Messrs Shaw and Crimble) but there were some stunning  
efforts from
> that department.
> - I enjoyed Jerry's guitar, but the others with me said they hadn't  
really
> picked up on his sound
> - Ron Tree's bass was well down in the mix, he attempted some  
vocals early
> on but everyone was wondering what he was really adding to the  
sound. Shame
> because I was hoping he might do some Calvert type stuff ....
> - First time most of the folks I was with (me included) had seen  
Cmdr J
> Hawkman play and he was brilliant - some fantastic noises coming  
from his
> corner of the stage
>  
> You know I'm not much of a detail-on-the-night man, so I can't  
quote the
> setlist to you, but they opened with Born To Go and did Silver  
Machine,
> Master of the Universe, Brainstorm, ..... There was some acoustic  
type
> number that Thomas Crimble did vocals on, that really chugged along  
and was
> excellent.
>  
> View from the crowd was crap (we were by the mixing desk), but up  
at the
> cafe area you could look directly down on the stage and see the  
mysterious
> head bobbing about at the back that was Adrian Shaw and get a  
superb view of
> Terry doing the biz.
>  
> All in all a very laid back night, with some really good jam type  
versions
> of golden oldies.  Looking forward to the next one ....
>  
> Cheers.                Rob.
>  
>  
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> To: <neo-quark at y...>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:08 AM
> Subject: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight
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>  
> > Hey Now!
> >
> > Could someone please send us a review of this event when you come  
down
> from
> > your Brainstorm???
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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:46:11 -0000
   From: "not_geneticallyengineered" <not at geneticallyengineered.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HW: Nik's lot @ the MEAN FIDDLER

Hi AL,

Thanks for the review. I'm glad I stayed at home and kept my money!  

> Numbers attempted and mostly massacred

<LOL>

> Nik suggested we'd all just taken part in
> the live album recording of the event.  Now there's a
> surprise.   

Nik is assuming that people will buy any ol' rubbish simply because
he's on it I fear! Didn't he learn anything from 2001 a space rock
odyssey? (obviously not).  

> my take on ICU was that they
> were never supposed to be The Nik Turner Band, I
> always felt Trev & Fred & Steve were just as important
> if not more so than Nik, whereas what we got here was
> really just Nik & The Stand-ins.   

Great name!<LOL>

> If this is the future of ICU, please save us Judge,
> you?re our only hope!

Amen to that!

> Neither was the ?spirit of Barney
> Bubbles/Bob Calvert? invoked, which is good coz I?m
> getting heartily sick of this lot dragging up any name
> they can think of to justify what they?re doing.

I'll second that!

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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:30:54 -0000
   From: "Ben Fagin" <benfagin at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight

Yes, it's true!

Couldn't agree more.

-----Original Message-----
From: colinjallen [mailto:colin at callen18.freeserve.co.uk]  
Sent: 10 November 2002 21:33
To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight

Gosh, we must have been at different gigs; perhaps I went to the  
wrong venue and that is why it sounded so awful!

Seriously, ICU/P were a shambles, as expected.  Tractor were  
technically good in a dull sort of way.

Space Ritual were, IMHO, very poor; far too many people on stage and  
no real sense of direction or timing.  The 2 decent musicians (Jerry  
Richards and Adrian Shaw) were inaudible most of the time amid the  
general cacophony; different parts of the "band" appeared to be  
playing in different keys and at different tempos for much of the  
time.  Thankfully, the set was rather short (about 80 minutes), which  
was a blessing really!

Colin

--- In Hawkwind at y..., "dreamworker" <rob at d...> wrote:
> We got there a bit late, so missed "ICU". Mates who'd endured that  
set said
> we hadn't missed out on anything.
>  
> Tractor were excellent.  Really good 60s vibe with a modern sound.
>  
> Spaceritual.net were much, much better than we expected, I have to  
say -
> I've heard a few shows on CD and mates who were there had seen them  
at
> Glastonbury, Canterbury and Guildford.  It started off OK, but  
really ramped
> up all through the set until by the end they were blinding.
>  
> - Volume on the mics was crap, so it was difficult to hear the  
vocals.
> - Terry Ollis did a fantastic job, everyone I spoke to commented on  
that.
> - Nik was in fine form, and I'm not his greatest fan, although that  
rubber
> suit could do with a spray of Febreze !!
> - We couldn't decide who exactly was doing all the really good bass  
bits
> (sorry to Messrs Shaw and Crimble) but there were some stunning  
efforts from
> that department.
> - I enjoyed Jerry's guitar, but the others with me said they hadn't  
really
> picked up on his sound
> - Ron Tree's bass was well down in the mix, he attempted some  
vocals early
> on but everyone was wondering what he was really adding to the  
sound. Shame
> because I was hoping he might do some Calvert type stuff ....
> - First time most of the folks I was with (me included) had seen  
Cmdr J
> Hawkman play and he was brilliant - some fantastic noises coming  
from his
> corner of the stage
>  
> You know I'm not much of a detail-on-the-night man, so I can't  
quote the
> setlist to you, but they opened with Born To Go and did Silver  
Machine,
> Master of the Universe, Brainstorm, ..... There was some acoustic  
type
> number that Thomas Crimble did vocals on, that really chugged along  
and was
> excellent.
>  
> View from the crowd was crap (we were by the mixing desk), but up  
at the
> cafe area you could look directly down on the stage and see the  
mysterious
> head bobbing about at the back that was Adrian Shaw and get a  
superb view of
> Terry doing the biz.
>  
> All in all a very laid back night, with some really good jam type  
versions
> of golden oldies.  Looking forward to the next one ....
>  
> Cheers.                Rob.
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DRider <Hawkwind at a...>
> To: <neo-quark at y...>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:08 AM
> Subject: [neo-quark] MEAN FIDDLER Tonight
>  
>  
> > Hey Now!
> >
> > Could someone please send us a review of this event when you come  
down
> from
> > your Brainstorm???
> >
> > Remember The Future,
> >
> > D
> >
> >
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