ALL: Originality (was: Metallica) now back to originality ;-)

[Michael Blackman]

------------------------------------------------------
ORIGINAL:

adj.
Preceding all others in time; first.

Not derived from something else; fresh and unusual: an original play, not an
adaptation.
Showing a marked departure from previous practice; new: a truly original
approach. See Synonyms at new.
Productive of new things or new ideas; inventive: an original mind.
Being the source from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made.

n.
A first form from which other forms are made or developed: Later models of
the car retained many features of the original.

An authentic work of art: bought an original, not a print.
Work that has been composed firsthand: kept the original but sent a
photocopy to his publisher.
A person who is appealingly odd or curious; a character.
Archaic. The source from which something arises; an originator.
------------------------------------------------------------------

My cynical 2 p's worth.....

Not always appreciated at first
Often freaks people out
Causes fundamentalists to want to burn anything related

You have to ask yourself.  Do you become the originator of an original idea
only if you make that idea a commercial success?  What about the garage
bands  who have the same idea but never got onto the airwaves etc?

I am a big fan of the term; "Personal Expression."  & "Be Yourself"  but I'm
sure I am not the first to use them ;-)

Peace, Love & Light.  If it feels good and doesn't hurt others then it must
be right.

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Lockwood <rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:19 PM
Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica)


> >
> > But, I do have to argue with you on originality.  Back in the day (about
> > 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a
> pretty
> > good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over.
>
> Their sound *was* original - although still wore its influences firmly on
> its sleeve - and Lars always seemd to make a point of namechecking them.
> Motorhead, Diamondhead and Venom.  However, (and this is a discussion
we've
> been having lately in the pub) can anyone out there name me a truely
> original and innovative band of the last thirty / forty years or so?  The
> vast majority of "new" guitar music has always just put a new twist on
Chuck
> Berry and Ike Turner - maybe you can count the originators of '50s rock
'n'
> roll as original - but then, wasn't that simply speeded up (and in many
> cases simplified) delta blues from the 20s and 30s?  (Which in its turn
> started out by putting simple guitar lines to vocal spirituals).
>
> The only bands anyone came up with (an I'd thought of them, but kept my
gob
> shut for fear of accusations of "just because they're your favourite
bands)
> were Hawkwind (the spacey synth side - the guitar/bass/drum work was
hardly
> brand new), and Half Man Half Biscuit (again - purely for the lyrical
side -
> nothing new about jangly indy guitar or skiffle).
>
> Venom?  Maybe lyrically but the music was simply speeded up Motorhead,
which
> in turn is louder, faster rock 'n' roll.
>
> See my point?  Some folk would cite the early rap/scratch records, with
good
> reason - but even then the breakbeats were taken from older soul or rock
> records.
>
> So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with something
> genuinely new, not just a new twist.
>
> >
> > So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but let's
> > forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after
"Justice".
>
> First three - Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and the wonderful Master
of
> Puppets.  Justice was (IMHO) bobbins - as was pretty much everything after
> it.
>
> >
> > And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again.  He's never
> struck
> > me as being particularly perceptive.  Maybe he just looks smart next to
> > Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most
unicellular
> > life.  Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed...    (I
> > still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really
the
> > only guy who didn't sell out.)
>
> It's quite scary to think that Dave Mustaine was probably the brightest of
> the lot of 'em!
>
> >
> > But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead.  That's the band
that
> > really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about originality!
> > Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come!
>
> Hear hear.  Certainly a candidate for an original band - see above!)  :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich.