ALL: Originality (was: Metallica)

[Michael Blackman]

I was very blessed to recieve some ICU cd's last year.  I still enjoy
listening to it very much and where my music is concerned (literally) has a
place on the same shelf as my Hawkwind - LLG - Ali Davey -  etc etc etc.
There is a bunch of stuff - too numerous to recall on such a hot day ;-)


----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Von Bargen <mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica)


> One band who did show a lot of originality was Inner City Unit. Even if it
> was only the originality of throwing in the same old components and
> squirting them back out in a very different mix.
> Oh for that originality now - please bring it back
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Lockwood" <rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:49 AM
> Subject: ALL: Originality (was: Metallica)
>
>
> > >
> > > But, I do have to argue with you on originality.  Back in the day
(about
> > > 1983 or so), their sound was very original, and they actually made a
> > pretty
> > > good effort at saving metal from the hair bands that were taking over.
> >
> > Their sound *was* original - although still wore its influences firmly
on
> > its sleeve - and Lars always seemd to make a point of namechecking them.
> > Motorhead, Diamondhead and Venom.  However, (and this is a discussion
> we've
> > been having lately in the pub) can anyone out there name me a truely
> > original and innovative band of the last thirty / forty years or so?
The
> > vast majority of "new" guitar music has always just put a new twist on
> Chuck
> > Berry and Ike Turner - maybe you can count the originators of '50s rock
> 'n'
> > roll as original - but then, wasn't that simply speeded up (and in many
> > cases simplified) delta blues from the 20s and 30s?  (Which in its turn
> > started out by putting simple guitar lines to vocal spirituals).
> >
> > The only bands anyone came up with (an I'd thought of them, but kept my
> gob
> > shut for fear of accusations of "just because they're your favourite
> bands)
> > were Hawkwind (the spacey synth side - the guitar/bass/drum work was
> hardly
> > brand new), and Half Man Half Biscuit (again - purely for the lyrical
> side -
> > nothing new about jangly indy guitar or skiffle).
> >
> > Venom?  Maybe lyrically but the music was simply speeded up Motorhead,
> which
> > in turn is louder, faster rock 'n' roll.
> >
> > See my point?  Some folk would cite the early rap/scratch records, with
> good
> > reason - but even then the breakbeats were taken from older soul or rock
> > records.
> >
> > So there's the challenge - come up with a band who came up with
something
> > genuinely new, not just a new twist.
> >
> > >
> > > So, let's give them some credit for their first 2 or 3 albums, but
let's
> > > forever expunge them from our memories for what they did after
> "Justice".
> >
> > First three - Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and the wonderful Master
> of
> > Puppets.  Justice was (IMHO) bobbins - as was pretty much everything
after
> > it.
> >
> > >
> > > And as far as Lars being an intellectual, I argue again.  He's never
> > struck
> > > me as being particularly perceptive.  Maybe he just looks smart next
to
> > > Kirk, who has never shown any intelligence beyond that of most
> unicellular
> > > life.  Yes, compared to Kirk, Lars could be quite smart indeed...
(I
> > > still think Jason Newsted was the smartest guy in the band, and really
> the
> > > only guy who didn't sell out.)
> >
> > It's quite scary to think that Dave Mustaine was probably the brightest
of
> > the lot of 'em!
> >
> > >
> > > But you're dead right when you talk about Motorhead.  That's the band
> that
> > > really deserves to be mentioned when we start talking about
originality!
> > > Let's hope Lemmy continues for many years to come!
> >
> > Hear hear.  Certainly a candidate for an original band - see above!)
:-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rich.
> >
>