The MTV generation (not sorry, long ")

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Congratulations Christian Mumford - for starting a good thread that has
generated many positive responses. I hope this is a good sign!

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Henderson Keith writes:[mailto:Keith.Henderson at PSI.CH]

NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely
coincidental.  :)  Although I must have to admit that I've considered
recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the
reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran
Duran was the worst band in history.  :)  (Not counting Country and
Rap "music."  And 'serious' techno either.)
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Come on man!
Duran Duran - better than the Bee Gees?
There are plenty of bands worse than both of these bands combined.
Just turn on any modern rock radio station.....

Better yet a rap/hiphop radio station.......

Which brings up another topic: Rap is NOT music
That's probably why you put the word music in quotes, right?

I pulled up to a thump car w/ it's license plate all a buzz
the other day....

"Mother-fucker this"
"Mother-fucker that"
"I like women w/ da..."
"... big fat ass"

Inside was a pasty white geek, rappin along
w/ his chains all a "bling bling"
like he's real bad

This got me wonderin: why is this terrible excuse for sound SO popular??

The only theory that I could conclude was that the average American
has TASTE FOR SHIT!

I don't know if rap/hiphop are as popular in other countries, as it is
here......

Young people are spending loads of $$$ to support crooks. Yeah, we all have
been supporting white collar crooks for years. Oh, boohoo the recording
industry is in a slump. Serves them right for ripping us off for all these
years........

But that's not what I mean. When I say crooks, I mean it in the literal
sense. Sug Knight or whatever his name is a gangbangin thug. Most of these
guys are in the same category. "Oh, I went from sellin dope on the street
corner to being a star on MTV." Talk about money for nothing! At least when
he was sellin drugs he was providing a service.(tongue in cheek)  And people
wonder why these guys get killed......

Even defending rap from the angle that it's about pissing off the parents
does not hold up. Rock N Roll originally pissed off parents, but at least
part of it had substance. Yeah, rock N roll ripped off the old bluesmen. But
isn't there some type of homage being paid in that form? Not like some rap
thug sampling a line from a previous hit for the main melody of his "song"
and putting disgusting lyrics to it. At least rock n roll had innuendo and
not some skank shakin her ass 6 inches from the camera.

I could go on an on, but simply said: rap is crap!

Moving on.....

How can you put county in the same category as rap?
Garth Brooks etc. is not really country, but it WAY better than rap!

Do you mean to say that a guy w/ as eclectic tastes in music as you have,
that you don't like even one song by Johnny Cash?

I know, I know - Johnny Cash - don't smoke hash  ")
(I bet he did)

I saw Willie Nelson open for Phil Lesh this past summer at Red Rocks and was
fortunate enough to record the show on DAT. That guy was awesome! He played
for 90 minutes non-stop one song right into another. The funny thing is, I
bet if you were there you would have recognized more songs than you think
and you just may have enjoyed it...... A way that I have learned to tell how
much a crowd like a performer is by how quiet and respectable/considerate
they are when the performer is playing.... The place was packed and everyone
was extremely attentive. As it should be. Willie Nelson is a legend!

But hey.. I'm just a Deadhead - what do I know?

We are in agreement that the best music in the '80s was METAL.

It continues to baffle me when clubs have what they call "old wave" nights
where they play '80's crap music. Then again, back to the theory:
Americans have taste for crap.

Case in point: look who are president is.....

"Oh, that boy on death row is retarded? Let's fry him anyway!"
 - G.W. Bush

Too bad old George was not in the series finale of "OZ".

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As I look back now, though, I don't think much of it has 'aged' well
already.  I'm not even sure that I can really think of Jane's "Nothing
Shocking" (which I thought was outstanding at the time) as a worthy
piece of plastic.  I find myself actually preferring the pseudo-psychedelic
experiment on 'Side Two' of "Ritual" (that then I thought was not working
for them).  What the hell's Perry doing these days anyway?  Waiting for
the inevitable Jane's reunion?  Or has he already died from heroin
overdose?
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hmmm....
are you just playing devil's advocate?

Jane's Addiction have a new album about to be released and as someone said
Lollapalooza is coming back. It bums me out that you would speak so poorly
of Perry. Then again, I have met the guy. Hell, I even smoked a joint w/ him
at the venue I mentioned in another post (Jannus Landing) when Porno For
Pyros played there on 7/5/96. I saw JA at Peabody's Downunder in 1988. What
a great show! It was not until the end when one of the road crew came up w/
a pair of crutches, that I realized the man had done the entire show w/ a
broken leg. He was all over the place like a madman. Incredible! I saw them
the next year at the Phantasy Theatre and the magic was definitely going
away.... Then last year, I scored front row tix to see them in Gainesville,
FL. I was right in front of Dave Navarro. I saw over 60 shows last year and
that show was by far the best. 2 stages, dancers on the stage (w/ a strip
club type pole and a swing), dancers on pedestals out in the arena itself, a
second small stage 3/4 of the way back where they played an acoustic
set.....

With Lollapalooza, Perry gave America the opportunity to see an eclectic
bunch of bands in a festival atmosphere. These were alternative bands that
defined the term "alternative". The "straight" folks came just to see the
freaks, but ended up getting into the music. The media soaked it up and
"alternative" became mainstream. Now we have suburban kids all tattooed up
and cheerleaders pierced. That may or may not be a good thing, but Perry got
alot of people's attention and alot of great bands got the much needed
exposure that they needed and deserved.

Stephen Perkins - the drummer has a great taping friendly band called
Banyan. It's like tribal jazz w/ horns. Think Korai Orom w/ horns. Another
cool point about JA - they are a bunch of Deadheads. Yeah, that's right. My
friend Jim Charna, a fellow taper had mail order tix for the Dead at Cal
Expo in 1989. He was not taping and went to his seat, after some time went
by a fellow showed up w/ his girlfriend. It was none other than Perry. Jim
struck up a conversation w/ the amicable man and not long after he said, we
will enjoy the show much better out on the lawn w/ the guys. He invited Jim
along. On the lawn was the rest of the band. They puffed it up on some
"kind" and Jim ended up following them back to their car after the show.
Stephen had a shoebox w/ cassette masters of live performances that he
loaned to Jim to dub. This is no bullshit!

Now, being a Deadhead may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me.
Loaning master live tapes out may not be cool to some folks, but it is too
me. Being able to approach someone like Perry and having an intelligent
conversation while smoking a joint may not be cool to some folks, but it is
to me. Putting on a festival of very talented eclectic non-mainstream bands
may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me. I'll stop there.

Other than that I agree w/ a good portion of what you have to say.....

MTV was interesting for a while. I'll admit that when it first came on, I
tuned-in alot. I watched Beavis & Butthead. The reality show - I forget the
name... w/ the guy Puck. The first version of Road Rules. But MTV became
less about music an more about crap reality shows...... Ironic how network
television is following suit..........  The third and final testament to my
theory - the average American has TASTE FOR SHIT!

Much Music and MTV2 still have their moments and sometimes fill the void.
The show called Control Freak is cool.......

Bring Back Head Bangers Ball (but not Ricky Rakkman!)

Ocean Size,

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