BOC-L Digest - 27 Apr 2007 to 28 Apr 2007 (#2007-99)
Chris Owen
chrisow at SHAW.CA
Sat Apr 28 13:44:06 EDT 2007
Hej Carl,
You have to bare in mind that when a band has created so much classic
spacerock
as Hawkwind have, I think it gets increasingly difficult to come up with
something which is both
original and classic year after year. Everyone has a finite amount of
creativity that they can add.
Myself I would be pleased to have written and recorded even one album that
was both
original and classic, it is actually quite hard.
Skal!
Chris
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> There are 8 messages totalling 442 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. HW: Do Not Panic documentary
> 2. Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.]
> 3. hw: New Space Ritual edition (5)
> 4. My Hawkwind and BOC related Oslo area radio shows on CDR!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:38:35 +0100
> From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary
>
> Cyberkrel writes:
>
>> Oh yeh - www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk/privatesales.htm
>
> OK, I'll have Visions by Ship of Fools and Tonbridge by Nodens Ictus if
> nobody beat me to it?
>
> Is that 13 quid?
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:40:07 +0100
> From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.]
>
> Stephen Swann writes:
>
>> > > From kalex at edu.umich.eecs Mon Apr 26 12:10:20 1993
>> > >
>> > > The main differences are in sound: Windsong is mono and rough and
>> > > powerful,
>> > > while SRfL sounds clearer but seems heavily remixed. On SRfL, any
>> > > part
>> > > that was even the slightest bit unclear on BBC was either remixed to
>> > > nothing
>> > > or lopped right off.
>
>> Yeah that would probably be why I like the Windsong disc better - it
>> has more oomph.
>
> The SRfL bootleg always reminds me of the Kinetic Playground one. The
> sound treatment seems very similar in that it cleans it up but also does
> a blanga extraction.
>
> FoFP
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:21:53 +0100
> From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition
>
> On 26/04/2007 13:16, Arin Komins wrote:
>> So, ooc, who would you pick as better vendors of floaty electronica?
>
> A difficult question, partially because a little floaty electronica goes
> a long way with me ;) My wife has a bunch of New Agey CDs some of which
> have quite pleasant synthesizer scapes. Some of them -- even apparently
> completely "generic" ones of the sort you find in any New Ageish
> bookshop -- have "floaty ambiance" that's as good as anything I've heard
> anywhere :)
>
> But the other part is that I don't think Hawkwind are really trying to
> do "floaty" electronica, but the not-so-floaty electronica that I think
> they are trying to do is not the kind of thing I think they're good at.
> I think current Hawkwind, consciously or unconsciously, tend to
> emulate ambient techno and acid house type stuff that they hear and like
> from established artists in those fields (artists who were themselves
> probably partially inspired by older incarnations of Hawkwind!). I
> _think) Hawkwind are trying to do stuff along the lines of The Orb,
> Future Sound of London, Aphex Twin, Astralasia, even The KLF, The
> Chemical Brothers, or the Prodigy. Obiviously, not as hardcore as the
> more hardcore of those artists (The Prodigy get pretty hardcore at
> times), and I could be off-course since I'm not a huge fan of these
> styles, but I'm aware of them and those artists are successful at what
> they do.
>
> Personally, I tend to like more the older "proto-ambient" stuff like
> Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze's solo work, or even Brian Eno
> sometimes (though I'm not as into his stuff as some!). Some of the old
> Krautrock stuff verges on this .... Here, I get a strong feel of
> cinematic drama in the music and soudscapes that is the sort of thing
> that I think fits in well with Hawkwind's classic space-opera vibe.
> IMO, the first Anubian Lights gets even closer to this sort of thing,
> sometimes, than contemporary Hawkwind.
>
> But, actually, I think Hawkwind were spot on with their electronic and
> instrumental experimentation in the early 70s. If only because if the
> limitations on technology at the time, their electronic-oriented music
> consisted of artificially generated, technological sounds that
> nevertheless felt very organic -- like a spaceship grown from living
> cells, or a tree that shoots electric fire. This is something I have
> always felt was lacking in many contemporary electronic artists --
> perhaps by their design, but it doesn't pull me in since I respond more
> to human error than computerized precision :) Moreover, Hawkwind's
> weird experimentations were (in the past) always few and short, adding
> spice to an album without dominating it. And they often formed the
> background to the spoken word segements or blended quickly into chugging
> rock instrumentals.
>
> Perhaps HotMG best exemplifies this. It's instrumental pieces are
> either ambient rock like Brock's "Wind of Change" or odd little places
> like House's "Goat Willow" and the title track. That's it: the rest of
> the album is pretty solid Hawkwind spacerock songs. Likewise, Doremi --
> there's the synthy zippery of Detmar's "One Change", and then the rest
> is songs (albeit songs with often fairly lengthy, churning instrumental
> passages). Even on Space Ritual, "Electronic No. 1" takes up a
> relatively small percentage of album time, and the rest of the
> electronic proto-primal-ambient texturing takes place under Calvert's
> spoken word bits; no druming (and certainly no sequencing) under the
> spoken word bits, just textures.
>
> Now look at _ET_, with essentially only 5 songs: LSD, Secret Agent, Mask
> of Morning, Sadness Runs Deep, and Right to Decide. I like _all_ the
> songs there very much -- they're great stuff, exactly the sort of thing
> at which Hawkwind *rules*. But the other *9* tracks on ET are
> _basically_ instrumental filler, without _very_ much that stands out as
> music for the ages, IMO. This is an album of a very different kind of
> structure than HotMG or Doremi, and not one that I think shows off what
> HW do best.
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> mailto:cea at carlaz.com
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:01:20 +0100
> From: Amphetamine Embalmer <superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK>
> Subject: My Hawkwind and BOC related Oslo area radio shows on CDR!
>
> I can trade CDRs of these 1 hour shows so just send me 3 blank CDR or 1
> recorded CDR of something I want and we can trade!
>
> Christian
>
>
>
> RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA
> PROGRAM "UHØRT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD
>
> SHOW 1:
> FRIENDS AND RELATIONS "RAVE ON IN THE 80's AND 90's" SPECIAL
> 04/05/06
>
> "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic
> Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9")
> "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic
> Travellers")
> "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic
> Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault")
> "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo")
> "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zerø (from Best of Friends &
> Relations"/???)
> "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends &
> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair")
> "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends &
> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair")
> "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends &
> Relations"/???)
> "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends &
> Relations", originally from "Outside The Law")
> "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader")
>
>
> SHOW 2:
> MAGICK DARK WAVE AND OLD NEW AGE HAWKSTUFF SPECIAL
> 10/06/06
>
> "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales")
> "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink
> Box")
> "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum")
> "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum")
> "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972")
> "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972")
> "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited")
> "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived")
> "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube
> Conceived")
> "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On")
> "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On")
>
>
> SHOW 3:
> DARK 90's SPACEWAVE, PSY-DOOM AND THUNDERJUDGE SPECIAL
> 02/09/06
>
> "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo")
> "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo")
> "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout")
> "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens")
> "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout")
> "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout")
> "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout")
> "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout")
> "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout")
> "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout")
> "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The
> Score!")
> "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know
> The Score!")
> "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption")
>
>
> SHOW 4:
> HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE
> 21/10/06
>
> "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982")
> "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982")
> "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live
> 1982")
> "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live
> 1982")
> "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live
> 1982")
> "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982")
> "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982")
> "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles")
> "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel")
> "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles")
> "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles")
> "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles")
> "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles")
> "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles")
> "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation)
>
>
> SHOW 5:
> WHO TO HAMMILL; BROWN TO MARILLION TO NAZARETH....
> 18/11/06 (Sorry NOT AVAILIBLE ON CDR - LOST TRANSMISSION!!!)
> "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation")
> "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation")
> "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour
> 2002")
> "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour
> 2002")
> "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood")
> "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood")
> "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera")
> "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera")
> "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera")
> "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation)
> "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation)
> "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals")
> "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals")
>
>
> SHOW 6:
> 23/12/06
> SYNTH AND ROCK A GENRE NEVER SEPARATE AND SOFT ROCK SYNTHS:
>
> Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden)
> Blue Öyster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos)
> Blue Öyster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors)
> Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight)
> Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X)
> Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X)
> Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X)
> Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time)
> Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live)
> Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire)
> Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire)
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:05:40 +0100
> From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition
>
> Carl Edlund Anderson writes:
>
>> Personally, I tend to like more the older "proto-ambient" stuff like
>> Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze's solo work, or even Brian Eno
>> sometimes (though I'm not as into his stuff as some!). Some of the old
>> Krautrock stuff verges on this .... Here, I get a strong feel of
>> cinematic drama in the music and soudscapes
>
> I tend to like the more melodic of this stuff - so I like Ricochet and
> Logos while I find Phaedra really requires being in the mood. Tangerine
> Dream seemed to go bad after 1989 and I'm not sure if much of their
> output after that ever reached the standards of Ricochet and Force
> Majeure. Much of Schulze I do like, though again I find some of it too
> atmospheric. Software and mergener/Weisser do seem more consistent in
> their output - some very floaty stuff in there.
>
> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of
> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their
> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff?
>
> FoFP
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:38:56 -0400
> From: David Kuznick <dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU>
> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition
>
> Quoting M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>:
>
>> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of
>> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their
>> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff?
>
> Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course.
>
> --
> David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
> "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light
> from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are,
> I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire."
> Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:56:41 +0100
> From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK>
> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition
>
>>> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of
>>> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their
>>> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff?
>>
>>Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course.
>
> I'd throw Eat Static, Prometheus & Younger Brother in there as well
>
> I'd also be mad not to plug my own stuff :)
>
> www.myspace.com/lycopodeiauk
>
> www.lycopodeia.co.uk
>
>
> Marc.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Kuznick [mailto:dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU]
> Sent: 27 April 2007 15:39
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition
>
>
> Quoting M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>:
>
>> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of
>> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their
>> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff?
>
> Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course.
>
> --
> David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
> "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light
> from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are,
> I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire."
> Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:02:36 -0400
> From: David Kuznick <dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU>
> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition
>
> Also, a good yahoo mailing list to check out for all things electronic
> music, is
> beyond_em.
>
> Quoting Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK>:
>
>> >> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of
>> >> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their
>> >> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff?
>> >
>> >Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course.
>>
>> I'd throw Eat Static, Prometheus & Younger Brother in there as well
>>
>> I'd also be mad not to plug my own stuff :)
>>
>> www.myspace.com/lycopodeiauk
>>
>> www.lycopodeia.co.uk
>>
>>
>> Marc.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Kuznick [mailto:dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU]
>> Sent: 27 April 2007 15:39
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition
>>
>>
>> Quoting M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>:
>>
>> > What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of
>> > arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their
>> > Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff?
>>
>> Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course.
>>
>> --
>> David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
>> "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light
>> from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are,
>> I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire."
>> Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
> "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light
> from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are,
> I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire."
> Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG
>
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>
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