HW Space Ritual

Sat Dec 20 03:10:20 EST 2008

I've been at shows that sounded fine, and later would hear something from a
tape and realize a musician made a mistake.  I didn't affect my enjoyment of
the show at the time, and although I may notice the mistake later with more
clarity, I still enjoy the show.  I know some people who don't like live
recordings at all, but I like the spontaneous ness of a live gig, (even with
mistakes), especially if I was there.  The only think that I can't stand
with live shows is fans making so much noise during quiet parts of the music
that it interferes with listening to a live show.
I think we may have different expectations when listening to live shows.
This includes all bands, not exclusively Hawkwind.  I like hearing
consecutive shows so I can hear how certain spaces get worked out.

Love,

Mary

-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:52 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual

Bernhard,

My friend, we just aren't going to agree, I'm afraid. People went to the
gig, had a great time, really enjoyed themselves, got their money's worth
and were happy. If, after that, people who didn't go are picking over the
notes played and determining whether a gig was 'crap' on that basis, it
isn't the way I think a gig should be understood. I'm just happy I had a fab
time with nice people at a great show... I'll leave it there! :)

Ian

--- On Fri, 12/19/08, bernhard.pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE>
wrote:

From: bernhard.pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 9:56 AM

Good morning Ian

I really understand what you are trying to explain.

Of course I know that I was not there and I also know that the
"feeling" of
a real live experience
is not compareble to a bootleg recording of a show.

Therefore I mentioned a couple of times that I am only talking about the
"AUDIO" part of this event.

I can not judge about the light show, the peoples mood and the overall
feeling.

It is just the plain music for me I can talk about.

And this music is not the music I can enjoy.

Good musicians were on stage and played lot of great songs from my favorite
band.
They tried to play them in a different way. No problem.

But in fact this "different way" did not work.
This is not only my view.
Lot of good friends of mine from the HW lists think the same way.

I do not want to start a discussion here that could make some peole angry.

Hawkwind have played lots of crap shows over the years !!!
And I have no problem to mention this as well !!!
A real musician knows when he played a crap show.

I really hope that SR2009 will be much more rehearsed and than we all will
get a great show.
No need for a perfect show. But it has to be "listenable" without
basic
errors

All I wanted is to mention that a crap show was played. Nothing more !!!!

Regards
Bernhard

-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:23 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual

Bernhard,

Honestly, I think you've really missed the point here... a live gig is a
live gig, it's for the people who turn up and enjoy the event - which I
know
people who attended did enjoy... so that's the context of the show and it
was a fantastic event and, really, 'end of story'. Great to get a show
to
listen to afterwards but that's always out of context.

It wasn't 'crap'... it just wasn't... sorry!

You say it didn't work for you and other people... you weren't there!
It
wasn't assembled to be picked over on a bootleg, it was put on for people
to
go and get a buzz from on the day... please, context, always context!  :)

Ian

--- On Fri, 12/19/08, bernhard.pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE>
wrote:

From: bernhard.pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 8:41 AM

Hi there !!

I believe that you and the others wanted to do the best.
I also believe that the band and the folks had lot of fun.

As I mentioned before most people on stage are great musicians and friedly
folks

But unfortunately the output was crap.

I am sorry to say this.
Have listend to the recording a couple of times and it doesn't get better.

It was indeed an unrehearsed performance.

A big party for the great ROB CALVERT.
I am sorry that it musically did not work (for me and lot of fans I know)

regards
Bernhard

-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of trev
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:01 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual

ha ha ha

 the only hope for this gig is if judge trev plays his tribute song
"starfighter",  for bob calvert,  before hawklords take the stage
because it
is bobs absence which will be the most noticeable

and surely you saw me at herne bay bernhard, didn't you feel the power
...the truth...didn't i induce a state of self-trancendence...didn't it
change your life forever

actually the herne bay line up was good, much better than usual

judge trev

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From: "Colin Allen" <colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:37 PM
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual

> Were you at the Herne Bay gig, Bernhard?
>
> --- On Thu, 18/12/08, bernhard.pospiech
> <bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE>
> wrote:
>
> From: bernhard.pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE>
> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Date: Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 12:31 PM
>
> Hi there
>
> This show is a good idea but if they play as bad as they did in Herne
> Bay than it will be a waste of money.
>
> It was an absolutely crap performance.
>
>
> The only highlight was Jerry Richards
>
> I only see one chace for this event to be successfull.
> Playing without Nik Turner
>
> He is the one who ruins every gig.
> I am sorry to say it but it is the truth
>
>
> Bernhard
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]
> On
> Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:14 PM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual
>
> I've got no real insight, but I think the band we are talking about is

> basically the band as performed at Herne Bay for the Calvert tribute,
> playing the music of the Space Ritual... seems like an excellent
> prospect to me and I have absolutely no problem putting money into
> Nik's pocket (and the rest of the guys involved)... in fact, given the

> performance at Herne Bay...
> personally I'd be delighted to put money in their pocket! :)
>
> --- On Thu, 12/18/08, SHLL (Scott Heller) <shll at HAGEDORN.DK> wrote:
>
> From: SHLL (Scott Heller) <shll at HAGEDORN.DK>
> Subject: HW Space Ritual
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:55 AM
>
> Hej
>
> How I would love to come and see this but seeing as it will hardly
> have any of the original band:
>
> No lemmy, no calvert, no brock, no stacia, most likely not Simon King
> that means it will be:
>
> Nik, maybe Del Dettmar, Dik Mik.. probably only Nik... I don't
> actually see the point except to put some cash into Niks pocket and
> those surrounding the event.....
>
> And I will not likely travel from Denmark to see it.. Let's see what
> the details bring...before making final judgement.
>
> scott
>