OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council.

[mike coleman]

If uncle scam is just going to hoard the recovered alien technology all to
itself (free energy amidst that), I say life is made hell by human beings
anyway and let the cultures who breed like rabbits overpopulate themselves
into infinity and wrigle and writhe working harder and harder and harder to
survive in hell
no need to keep up
I for one will travel elsewhere by nature of the beast
life stinks (from a USA perspective, fair enough?), because everything is
fake, controlled, human greed, etc etc




On 8/5/09, M Holmes <fofp at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Jonathan Jarrett writes:
>
> > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, M Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > I'd love to hear how we caused global warming on Mars and Titan...
> > >
> > > *Some* of it may be linked to human activity. What we don't know is
> > > whether that amounts to even most of it.
> >
> >       Not, of course, that that removes the urgency of doing something
> > about it... A five-degree rise in temperature could make things very
> > uncomfortable for us whether we caused it or not.
>
> I've always thought that it isn't a good idea to shit in your backyard.
> It's going to sooner or later bite you somehow. There's always a silver
> lining though: maybe it'll delay the next ice age for a while - those
> babies really *are* hard to stop.
>
> > But this, and Mike C.'s
> > suggested population culls, are all targeting the wrong places. Our
> > consumption in the US and Europe is pretty appallingly high
>
> Huh? What makes any particular level of consumption "high"? Comparison
> with others? Compared to our ancestors of a few hundred years ago, the
> consumption of 99% of the world is extremely high.
>
> I'm skeptical of arguments that we all have to wear hairshirts, give up
> economic growth, or otherwise live in the dark. We have intelligence, so
> let's fix things so that we can have all we want, *and* clean up our
> mess behind us.
>
> > but our
> > environmental practices, while nowhere near what we might like, are
> > globe-leading.
>
> In fact China produces more pollution and the US. In terms of pollution
> caused per Dollar of wealth created, the US is way lower than most of
> the world, and *that's* the index we should be looking at if we agree
> not to wear hairshirts. It's the fucked up countries who are dirt poor
> and yet still have a godawful amount of pollution, that really need
> their butts kicked into gear.
>
> >       No, the real problem is going to be the rest of the world trying
> > to have our standard of living. That's going to cause real problems long
> > before Mother Gaia decides it's time for a sweat bath. "So place your
> > trust in science, for it has come so far...": I think the only way out
> > that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap
> and
> > renewable energy out to the developing economies.
>
> Such as solar power satellites or nuclear power (fusion preferably, but
> fission will hold the dam in the meantime). The problem is that the
> greens themselves are part of the political resistance to this. Green
> beliefs have become in large part a religious cult rather than a serious
> search for solutions to the problems facing us.
>
> > And that, unlike halting
> > non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope to
> > achieve in the short term.
>
> Hey, why non halt that too? If it's too hot, we normally put up a
> sunshade. Let's test-deploy solar sails, then scale 'em up and put 'em
> out by L1 in the tens of thousands. Build a sunshade for Mother Earth
> and stop her getting sunburn. *There's* an idea to rally behind.
>
> FoFP
>
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