(OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro)

[mike coleman]

Poor Rob
He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper)
WILFRIED!!!
I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!!
NOW!!!!!~!~!

On 3/9/11, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA
> test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and
> different than the Atco pressings.
> Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a
> diff company?)
> hehehe
> Never compared to the Griffin CD.
> I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular,
> alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I
> suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out.
> It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire
> thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a
> little nervous.
> hmmm
> Anyway, thanks for info guys
>
> On 3/9/11, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
>> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob
>> Griffin
>> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page:
>>
>> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html
>>
>> It's located about a third of the way down the page.
>>
>> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information
>> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that album
>> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums.  What I
>> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 albums,
>> and
>> it
>> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill.  However,
>> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that contract
>> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the only
>> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time.  So, the album was
>> actually
>> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were ATCO's
>> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all.  And then, once the album
>> was
>> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) release on
>> a
>> short-term licencing deal.  Which has long since expired, and hence EMI
>> has
>> never had the rights to reissue the album.
>>
>> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, unfortunately.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Steve
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>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound <lucidsound at IC24.NET>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master
>>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut.  For example, the ATCO tapes
>>> are
>>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy.  A copy of what?  The
>>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A
>>> third
>>>generation copy?
>>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard
>>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a
>>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly
>>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have a
>>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of
>>> sound
>>>that might be expected.
>>
>