OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover

[mary sullivan]

Hi Nathan,
What tests do they use now?  (wink)  I have a degree in psychology and am
always interested in matters of the mind.  Thanks for the info, I did
question the reliability of the test, unfortunately research (and
creativity), are not my strong suits.  Feel free to write me off list, given
the time.  This is what I love about this group, there are so many smart
people here.  It's always a pleasure to be on the fringe of an intelligent
discussion where I can absorb more information. 

Peace,

Mary

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The "Turing Test" is a bit more subtle than that. It was actually devised to
test if an "Artificial Intelligence" was as intelligent as a human. The
thought being if you can hold a conversation with an entity and can't
discern if it is a robot, then it has "human-like"
intelligence.

The test is actually not taken very seriously by AI researchers as it is
very subjective. It is also very often wrong. There is a famous story
regarding a group researchers actually applying the Turing Test to a set of
humans and software simulations (basically chat bots.) One of the human
subjects was very well versed in Shakespeare, and the person administering
the test could not believe that an actual human could know that much about
Shakespeare and so labeled the person a robot incorrectly. Applications of
the Turing Test are wrought with this kind of mix up.

Also, the Turing Test isn't very good at determining actual intelligence in
the sense most of us look for in AIs. There are very simple chat bots that
can hold seemingly meaningful conversations for extended periods and thus
pass the Turing Test. These bots are nothing more than a collection of
pattern recognition algorithms and if/then clauses, basically on the par
with the intelligence of a thermostat.
Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful.

Nathan -- (a semester away from a) PhD in AI.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM, mary sullivan
<maryann.sullivan1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hey Mike, sorry 'bout that,
> Sorry I weirded out your friend,best wishes to Scott, and all other
friends.
> There's a test to determine whether you're talking to a human or 
> robot,(the Touring Test), Mike, I'm sure you, and most others here are 
> familiar with this.
> Later,
>
> Mary
>
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> Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ 
> A.ANDROID voiceover
>
> My "friend" ( who saw cosmic dead recently), apparantly got noided 
> when Mary came on, looks like he thiought she was talking to him :) :
> he didn't actually underastand the what and the how of BOC-L. and got 
> the predetermined result he likely wanted anyway...
>
> he tends to be very concerned about security (also), and anyway, I 
> forwarded your reply Scott, thanks again for that. and yours Jonathan!!
>
> By the way, "Angela Android" now exists as a corporate voice program
> (here?) that can potentially "telemarket your arse", and i heard "her"
> getting "busted" on the radio. it was pretty amusing.
> She refuses to admit that she is a "robot"
>
> so now the question remains "do we (you) force companies to disclose 
> that you are in fact, flirting with a robot on the phone and not a 
> human being :)
>
> KNOW YOUR SERCO