OFF: Metaphysical question... is BOC-L dead?

[Mike c]

I have hesitated to say more, because underneath my own usually
extremely overdone gruff "game face", lies a fairly large sized heart.
(meaning not just here, me all around) :)

It may (often, usually?) be hard to see, if at all, and I admit I get
a kick out of that, but here's my opinion:

I think 2 things are going on, or 3.

Before I say this let me swear to whatever god (actually) is that I am
not saying this to be hurtful.

1) I am not convinced that those who are laughing, are laughing at a joke.
I mean Christian often cracks me up, but not the "ever returning"
racial/religious comments.
I am open to correction on this, but I had personal dealings with him,
and it was coming up in private mails. I found my hands tied because
he IS so intelligent in ways, I could not even understand or be
bothered to unravel much of what was there, but I think I know enough
that I am looking at a real personal problem.
I wanted to help but was unable, from my point of view.
I became weary and had to back away.


If i am correct, shame on us, in a way, to fan that fire or laugh at a
real (insert your own term)


2) An unrealistic view of who the other people are on this list and a
repeatedly blatant disregard.

3) Maybe never really seeing the others here, as "more than virtual
cartoons", for lack of a better way to say it

I am certainly willing to do as others and just get more friendly with
the delete button, but I confess I delete most of his mails and do not
read.
Yes, believe it or not I get overloaded. My gmail does not have a
blocker and even if it threw mails into spam it is almost more
annoying since i have to go and empty them.


I do not want my mails to be done that way. Though I will have to
accept that some will be and that I have brought that on myself.

I am, myself, indeed, a "boundary pusher" at times, but I HAVE a
conscious about the others here, and often quite innocently find
myself having sent more email than I would have preferred.

Anyway, he is so capable of being perfectly normal and informative and
does so, then all of a sudden things "go south".

When people do not respond, it becomes more and more vulgar.

To me, the biggest issue is what the heck is the problem and should we
be laughing at it.
Once again, I am not laughing at the things Paul mentions anyway, it
is not my cuppa joe. Otherwise he IS, at times, pretty hilarious but I
do have a high tolerance for the abnormal.

My point is as Paul's, when people are leaving, and the "goners" are
now adding up, it is time for us to make some slight changes, meaning
me as well.

All that said,  I personally will be just fine no matter what, I just
don't want personal blame for running people off or to be
automatically lumped in with someone else.

It is truly touching the tolerance and kindness shown here, today.

I do not possess so much





On 8/3/15, Paul Mather <paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Arjan Hulsebos <arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL> wrote:
>
>> To me, one of the attractions of BOC-L has always been the possibility of
>> Mike and/or Christian going off on a mail-rampage. And if I don't feel
>> like reading it all, I just delete it. Although, I must say, deleting
>> umpteen emails on a smartphone kinda reminds me of the "good old" days of
>> dial-in ;-)
>
>
> Have you ever considered bookmarking a couple of neo-Nazi sites, because
> that's what I felt I was wading through lately with Christian's posts.
> That, and post after post of puerile adolescent boasts about sexual prowess.
>  Yawn.
>
> If you want to read trolling, there's a whole Internet out there for you to
> enjoy.  I subscribed to this music list to read something about Hawkwind,
> BÖC, and friends.
>
> Maybe I'm too old-fashioned, Internet-wise, but I fail to see how ranting
> about jews; urging us to "kill kikes"; and praising the likes of Breivik and
> Hitler is even 0.00001% on-topic for this list.
>
> That crap has absolutely nothing to do with Hawkwind or BÖC.  If I wanted to
> read about that sort of nonsense, I'd do it off-list.  I suggest others do
> the same.
>
> Apparently, we're told it's all supposed to be a joke and people find it
> funny.
>
> Oh, really?
>
> I've read markov chain generators come up with better output.  Twitter bots
> are more entertaining.  Both are about as creative as what has vomited
> across this list as of late.
>
> Christian really needs to change the record.
>
> When he's gone off on a "mail-rampage" people have unsubscribed.  Meanwhile,
> he stinks up the archives with nonsense and bile.  Great, just great.  Maybe
> one day he'll learn to self-moderate.  Yeah, fat chance.
>
> Sic Semper Trollannis.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>