HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock

[iain ferguson]

Root,

i only got half way through your mail. Your first was crass, ignorant and factualy incorrect (
web pages, I work in the industry and you are wrong !)

This second mail is just plain bollocks..

Now fuck off back to the I love Nik Turner& Dave Anderson  camp. You have been found rumbled.

Nik, has ripped me off too many time and plays shit guitar, if you havent listen to any h/w
albums since 92 then your a muppet.
Live h/w are still awesome, Front men get in the way of a good trip man.

sorry i've sworn, i expect to get kicked off the list, but there are people here who are being
major assholes.

Im off to see h/w tonight and i'll f'ing enjoy it, they rule... I'll not be back until this
sorry fucking state of afairs stops.

Basically none of this is any of our business, i want hawkwind, to get the monies they deserve
and not go into the pockets of wankers who wrote very few decent tunes...

Sorry to all the list serv... I know my access will now be blocked.... I think I like my
hawkwind too much to get involved in shit slinging.

see ya all soon at the gigs...

Love & Peace

Iain

root wrote:

> Hi ya,
>
> Dave Brock also said something to the effect "Hawkwind were never a
> bunch of hippies the closest we came to that was Nik Turner"
>
> I'm kinda of the opinion that Hawkwind at their best ARE just a bunch of
> trippers/hippies, possibly why I really like 'Bring Me The Head' and
> 'Text Of Festival' so much, be that as it may.
>
> What Dave Brock has done (and very well/ruthlessly) is keep the name
> Hawkwind going.  But what is in the name?  It certainly is not the
> line-up!   One thing I really like about Hawkwind (sorry I hear very
> little after 1992) is that the studio stuff has developed over the years
> from pure mayhem into something almost Gong like.
>
> Live, Hawkwind are whatever their line up is at the time.  Dave Brock is
> never a good 'front man' cause he just stands there and does what he
> does.   Both Bob Calvert and Nik were excellent front men...  They have
> stage presence (sorry Dave but I never see stage presence in you).
> The best gig I've ever seen in my life was Not Hawkwind but I think just
> Nik Huw Loyd and Harvy (I could be wrong it was at Woughton Campus 1st
> synesyser fair Milton Keynes about 1983 if anyone has a tape of that I
> pay you money no matter what the condition of tape is.)
>
> The point of this is not to piss Dave Brock off (though it might well do
> so) but give him a wake up call.   With a kings crown comes
> responsibility, nothing is a given even for a king.   It is a very very
> bad thing when a king declairs war on his most loyal subjects and it
> seems to me that is exactly what he is doing regarding domain names.  If
> hawkwind.com is/was owned by and run by fans then that fact should be
> respected  (he can ask for stuff to be included/excluded but he has no
> right to demand).  Today I discover that Nik has released a few cd's
> playing on the name Hawkwind and I admitt that is a little naughty but
> it also seems clear to me that anyone bothering to look at the covers of
> these cd's will realise that they are Nik's not Hawkwinds.
>
> There is a presidence here.  When the Sex Pistols split up Malcom
> Maclaren tried to stop John Lydon using the name Johnny Rotten....  And
> lost.   Nik's nickname (before Hawkwind Zoo) was Hawkwind.  Nik does
> have a legitimate claim to that name and all credit to him for not using
> it except as a means of publicizing his work.  I don't see him as in any
> way trying to dupe people into thinking he IS Hawkwind in the sense that
> Brock IS Hawkwind, but to remind people of the part he played and that
> like it or not he is part of the Family.  I mentioned Gong above.  Gong
> have no problem with ex/present members using the name Gong to promote
> non Gong albums (Paris Gong, New York Gong, Mother Gong, Pierre Moulons
> Gong etc) so why should Hawkwind have such a problem?
>
> OK Hawkwind have a tour going on and in the middle of it Nik has a
> reunion of ICU and a reunion of some ex-Hawkwind members called
> Hawkestra.  There is no attempt to say it is the `real' Hawkwind or part
> of the official tour, it is just a bunch of people who used to be in
> Hawkwind presumably doing a few old Hawkwind numbers.  Where is the
> problem?   There was no problem in '83 at Milton Keynes when Dave Brock
> was absent and three people played as Not Hawkwind.  Indeed a Dave Brock
> (hawkfan) single was promoted there.  So what is the big deal now?
>
> If Dave Brock wants full control over an 'official' Hawkwind web site
> then it is up to him to find a suitable vacant domain name and set it up
> himself (hell if he wants to give me a couple of quid I'll follow his
> orders to the letter myself... I'm very good at web design and very
> cheap).   Perhaps hawkwind.org is free or hawkwind.net, even
> hawkwind.gov ;-)  (who do you bribe to get hawkwind.mil?)   Again there
> is a very famous presidence here if you think the similarity of domain
> names is a problem....  the url bbc.com (It's something that obvious if
> I'm wrong) sends you to a company in America not the Broadcasting
> Company we all know and love.
>
> All the Hawkwind fans I know (many) are just as interested in what Nik
> is doing as in what Hawkwind/Brock are doing so it seems to me that
> there should be no problem so long as there is no deliberate
> mis-representation.    As far as the flyers I've seen go there has been
> no mis-representation so like wheres the problem?
>
> >> he is just, Dave. And with Dave, you get Dave. Nothing fake there.
>
>                               TRUE TRUE TRUE
>
> Come on Hawkwind, take a deep breath say sorry to the webmaster at
> hawkwind.com and everyone will have more respect for you and hail Dave
> Brock as the Once and Future King.
>
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>
> I just threw my dinner up...   I see Grei Halliwell 'performing' in
> front of the troops on the news.  Is that sick or what?
>
> Suddenly I want to die of Anthrax Leprasy Mu!
>
> Chris