HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock

[Bill & Cynthia]

I think you're safe Iain. Let us know how the gig went. Especially us poor
bastards languishing Down Under.

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "iain ferguson" <iainferguson at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock


> Root,
>
> i only got half way through your mail. Your first was crass, ignorant and
factualy incorrect (
> web pages, I work in the industry and you are wrong !)
>
> This second mail is just plain bollocks..
>
> Now fuck off back to the I love Nik Turner& Dave Anderson  camp. You have
been found rumbled.
>
> Nik, has ripped me off too many time and plays shit guitar, if you havent
listen to any h/w
> albums since 92 then your a muppet.
> Live h/w are still awesome, Front men get in the way of a good trip man.
>
> sorry i've sworn, i expect to get kicked off the list, but there are
people here who are being
> major assholes.
>
> Im off to see h/w tonight and i'll f'ing enjoy it, they rule... I'll not
be back until this
> sorry fucking state of afairs stops.
>
> Basically none of this is any of our business, i want hawkwind, to get the
monies they deserve
> and not go into the pockets of wankers who wrote very few decent tunes...
>
> Sorry to all the list serv... I know my access will now be blocked.... I
think I like my
> hawkwind too much to get involved in shit slinging.
>
> see ya all soon at the gigs...
>
> Love & Peace
>
> Iain
>
> root wrote:
>
> > Hi ya,
> >
> > Dave Brock also said something to the effect "Hawkwind were never a
> > bunch of hippies the closest we came to that was Nik Turner"
> >
> > I'm kinda of the opinion that Hawkwind at their best ARE just a bunch of
> > trippers/hippies, possibly why I really like 'Bring Me The Head' and
> > 'Text Of Festival' so much, be that as it may.
> >
> > What Dave Brock has done (and very well/ruthlessly) is keep the name
> > Hawkwind going.  But what is in the name?  It certainly is not the
> > line-up!   One thing I really like about Hawkwind (sorry I hear very
> > little after 1992) is that the studio stuff has developed over the years
> > from pure mayhem into something almost Gong like.
> >
> > Live, Hawkwind are whatever their line up is at the time.  Dave Brock is
> > never a good 'front man' cause he just stands there and does what he
> > does.   Both Bob Calvert and Nik were excellent front men...  They have
> > stage presence (sorry Dave but I never see stage presence in you).
> > The best gig I've ever seen in my life was Not Hawkwind but I think just
> > Nik Huw Loyd and Harvy (I could be wrong it was at Woughton Campus 1st
> > synesyser fair Milton Keynes about 1983 if anyone has a tape of that I
> > pay you money no matter what the condition of tape is.)
> >
> > The point of this is not to piss Dave Brock off (though it might well do
> > so) but give him a wake up call.   With a kings crown comes
> > responsibility, nothing is a given even for a king.   It is a very very
> > bad thing when a king declairs war on his most loyal subjects and it
> > seems to me that is exactly what he is doing regarding domain names.  If
> > hawkwind.com is/was owned by and run by fans then that fact should be
> > respected  (he can ask for stuff to be included/excluded but he has no
> > right to demand).  Today I discover that Nik has released a few cd's
> > playing on the name Hawkwind and I admitt that is a little naughty but
> > it also seems clear to me that anyone bothering to look at the covers of
> > these cd's will realise that they are Nik's not Hawkwinds.
> >
> > There is a presidence here.  When the Sex Pistols split up Malcom
> > Maclaren tried to stop John Lydon using the name Johnny Rotten....  And
> > lost.   Nik's nickname (before Hawkwind Zoo) was Hawkwind.  Nik does
> > have a legitimate claim to that name and all credit to him for not using
> > it except as a means of publicizing his work.  I don't see him as in any
> > way trying to dupe people into thinking he IS Hawkwind in the sense that
> > Brock IS Hawkwind, but to remind people of the part he played and that
> > like it or not he is part of the Family.  I mentioned Gong above.  Gong
> > have no problem with ex/present members using the name Gong to promote
> > non Gong albums (Paris Gong, New York Gong, Mother Gong, Pierre Moulons
> > Gong etc) so why should Hawkwind have such a problem?
> >
> > OK Hawkwind have a tour going on and in the middle of it Nik has a
> > reunion of ICU and a reunion of some ex-Hawkwind members called
> > Hawkestra.  There is no attempt to say it is the `real' Hawkwind or part
> > of the official tour, it is just a bunch of people who used to be in
> > Hawkwind presumably doing a few old Hawkwind numbers.  Where is the
> > problem?   There was no problem in '83 at Milton Keynes when Dave Brock
> > was absent and three people played as Not Hawkwind.  Indeed a Dave Brock
> > (hawkfan) single was promoted there.  So what is the big deal now?
> >
> > If Dave Brock wants full control over an 'official' Hawkwind web site
> > then it is up to him to find a suitable vacant domain name and set it up
> > himself (hell if he wants to give me a couple of quid I'll follow his
> > orders to the letter myself... I'm very good at web design and very
> > cheap).   Perhaps hawkwind.org is free or hawkwind.net, even
> > hawkwind.gov ;-)  (who do you bribe to get hawkwind.mil?)   Again there
> > is a very famous presidence here if you think the similarity of domain
> > names is a problem....  the url bbc.com (It's something that obvious if
> > I'm wrong) sends you to a company in America not the Broadcasting
> > Company we all know and love.
> >
> > All the Hawkwind fans I know (many) are just as interested in what Nik
> > is doing as in what Hawkwind/Brock are doing so it seems to me that
> > there should be no problem so long as there is no deliberate
> > mis-representation.    As far as the flyers I've seen go there has been
> > no mis-representation so like wheres the problem?
> >
> > >> he is just, Dave. And with Dave, you get Dave. Nothing fake there.
> >
> >                               TRUE TRUE TRUE
> >
> > Come on Hawkwind, take a deep breath say sorry to the webmaster at
> > hawkwind.com and everyone will have more respect for you and hail Dave
> > Brock as the Once and Future King.
> >
>
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> >
> > I just threw my dinner up...   I see Grei Halliwell 'performing' in
> > front of the troops on the news.  Is that sick or what?
> >
> > Suddenly I want to die of Anthrax Leprasy Mu!
> >
> > Chris
>