Guido

[Guido Vacano]

Bryan, you have a very  good point. My intent, however poorly expressed,
was not to imply that Colm (or anyone else here for that matter) is
stupid or that his (or anyone else's) opinion is worthless. It just
irritates the hell out of me that so many people are gushing over what
is clearly (IMnsHO) a piece of crap (at least, I seem to have conveyed
that).

 I agree, let's not bash anyone. I'll merely go on record as saying I
really hate the goddamn "official" Hawkwind web site, and while I might
describe it as just short of barely adequate as a volunteer effort (no,
I won't even be that charitable), as a commercial effort, it's a
complete disaster. I think it'd make a great textbook example of what
not to do in web design.

I guess I'll do Mark Cotton a favor and

> SHUT THE F*CK UP!

. . . for now. :-)

Thanks, Guido

Bryan Young wrote:

>Guido's original post said roughly:
>"a significant portion of the audience will love... [any piece of crap]"
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>This goes beyond expressing an opinion.  It goes beyond a simple complaint.
>It's an implicit insult to Colm's opinion.  It implies that:
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>1)  Colm's opinion is worthless compared to Guido's, and the website is crap
>2)  Colm is stupid for thinking that this crap is good
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>Now, Paul, I understand the beauty of freedom of speech, and I do not wish
>to become the thought police.  Mark gets in trouble for bashing Guido, but
>why does Guido not get in trouble for bashing Colm?
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>He went beyond expressing his opinion about aesthetics & navigation.  Reread
>that message and see how you can not be insulted if your name is Colm, or if
>you are one of his friends.
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>Why do we have to fight on this list?  Why can't Colm say he enjoys the
>website, and Guido can say how he wishes it was totally redesigned, and
>nobody insult the other?  And now Paul, who is another friend of mine that I
>do not wish to offend, tells us we should not bash Guido (who bashed Colm),
>and he's right.  But maybe this advice was a bit slow, and should have been
>directed to Guido, as he seems to be the original voice to crush dissenting
>opinion on the matter.
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>"Guido, don't become the thought police.  Just because you don't like the
>website does not mean that intelligent people elsewhere might enjoy the
>sense of mystique and the curious structure that embodies its design.
>Dissenting opinion is a good thing in a diverse group of people."
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>Peace and Hawkwind.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Mather" <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Guido
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>>On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:36:00AM +0000, mark cotton wrote:
>>=> I don't post to this site very often but I read it daily, and at least
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>my
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>>=> contributions are positive. I've never seen anything of yours, other
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>>=> your self-opinionated whinging about the website. I know your opinion
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>of it
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>>=> now, after having it (uninvitingly) rammed in my face every time
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>something
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>>=> happens on the website that does not not meet with your expert
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>approval. Now
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>>=> would you do me a favour and SHUT THE F*CK UP!
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>>What are you, the thought police?
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>>This is disgraceful.  Guido has been on this list literally for years,
>>and if you care to go back over the archives, you'll find he has made
>>many positive contributions to the list and its society.
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>>What I find disturbing as of late is the orthodoxy that is becoming so
>>cloying on BOC-L now.  It seems there is little tolerance for
>>dissenting voices.  You can't dislike the Web site.  You can't
>>complain about the band.  You can't like Nik because you are being
>>disloyal to Dave.  You can't do this, you can't do that.  The Emperor
>>is wearing a fine set of threads.
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>>The irony in this, for me, is that years ago we used to scoff at "the
>>other" Blue Oyster Cult group as being a group of uncritical drooling
>>fanboys.  Look at what we're becoming...
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>>It's a sad day indeed when a complaint can't be seen as a positive
>>thing.
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>>I apologise in advance for expressing an opinion.  I'll "STFU" now.
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>>Cheers,
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>>Paul.
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>>e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
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>>"We know you will be very happy here.  Nobody has complained... yet."
>>        --- Hawkwind, "Utopia"
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