HW: Mission Control Website

[Rik Rx]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:47:34 +0100, Richard Lockwood
<rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK> wrote:

>1.  Yes, the site's Dave's - but as you say Rik, you built it for him.  If
>it doesn't work for people, it's your fault.

I think you are in a minority there - it only seems to fall over for one or
two people with untypical connections on here....

>2.  Guido is probably guessing that you got paid for it.  After all, a site
>as extensive as you tell us it is takes a lot of time, and if you're a
>professional web development company, you can't afford that time just as a
>favour (unless you personally are doing it in your spare time, in which
case you're a better man than I.)

The concept of "spare time" does not exist here.... My "hours" are 24/7
(3am here and I'm still working  :-{ )

>3.  I'm genuinely very sorry to hear about your personal traumas.

Thanx

>4.  I know I started this thing off with a rather heated attack on the
site, but the views of many other people seem to be that they find it at
best unwieldy, and at wost unusable.  Don't dig your heels in and get
defensive  listen to criticism, whether it's ranty or constructive, and at
least consider making changes and improvements.

... and as I KEEP saying all their view have been noted...
However, please re-read Guido's "criticisms" - they all seem to verge on
verbal abuse. - He got what he asked for by way of response, and I make NO
excuses for that !

>5.  Yes, Guido's "Under Construction" animated gifs are annoying, but the
>look and feel of the front page is (IMHO) rather nice.  Let's just hope he
>gets round to finishing the site soon, rather than just leaving them there.

I await the update with baited breath.

>I'm really hoping that Mission Control v.2.0 (or however it's referred to)
>will be a big improvement on MC v1.0 - I'll offer any help I can if you
want
>to ask - because it's a valuable resource (or could be) for all of us out
>here.  (My arguments about Andy's site stay the same but I realise that
that isn't anything to do with you so I'll drop that one).
>
>To summarise, Mission Control has a lot of info on it, some people like it,
>some don't and some can't see it.  My advice would be simplify it (ie, lose
>some of the "whizzy things"), and get a graphic designer with a bit of
>knowledge about how people use websites in.  And don't get so defensive!

Again, how do YOU know the "whizzy things" were not specified in the client
brief? - You seem to be making some sweeping assumptions here.

>
>Hope v2 is well on the way,

To clarify: I have a degree in design, a cert in Telematics & e-commerce. I
run a successful web-hosting & design company with a healthy annual
turnover. I also teach web design one night a week at a local college, and
have done for the last three years. I also run a consultancy for companies
investing in state-of-the-art ICT product. My wife is also a highly
qualified Graphic Designer, and before she was ill managed a design studio
for a large local authority. You seem to assume that we have restricted
knowlege of the methodology of web design and trends/habits in navigation. I
am more than aware of the issues surrounding ergonomics of web navigation,
and just because MC doesn't follow the traditional conventions doesn't mean
I have to call in outside help as you suggest. Defensive? Perhaps, but
people tend to get that way when misguided claims are made against them.

V2 should be soon, "spare time" permitting.

Look forward to seeing some of your work.

Thanx

Rx

>
>Cheers,
>
>RIch.
>
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just a few lines on all the Kack....  the 'old chestnut' has emerged
>again,
>> it MUST be a low news day. . . . ZZZZZZzzzzzzz......
>>
>> Hey Guido - please note: I have already stated all the below before
>*loads*
>> of times, and this will be my final word on the subject:
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:
>>
>> The Mission Control site is *not mine* - it is Dave's !
>> We just do it for him - and once again Guido, you appear to ASSUME that
we
>> are "paid" for this... are you sure? do you have access to our accounts
>> then? - and who the bloody hell are you to question me or anyone else on
>> here about how we conduct business anyhow? Want to know what the
financial
>> arrangements are? ask Dave ! You also appear to know what the exact brief
>> was in the design and layout of the site... Wow ! you MUST be well
>> connected!
>>
>> As a point of note, we do the site for Dave in between our other
projects,
>> to allow him and the band to concentrate on doing important stuff like
>> making music. Remember the music?
>>
>> In the last 18 months or so since we have been doing the site I have also
>> been running two newly developing businesses and had some MAJOR personal
>> problems, which includes losing a parent and my wife being (and
remaining)
>> seriously ill... so you are F**king lucky to have had a site to look at
at
>> all !
>>
>> THE SITE IS BEING UPDATED:
>> Now there are (just) one or two people that are uncapable of
understanding
>> this concept. I am sick and tired of individuals that crib and cry over
>the
>> odd thing that doesn't work perfectly in their micky-mouse browser setup.
>> Yes there are some valid points in some of your mails, but they are
always
>> buried deep behind a torrent of insults and negativity that goes way
>beyond
>> the realm of what can be considered by most reasonable people to be
>> 'constructive criticism'.
>>
>> During the update, THE CURRENT SITE WILL NOT BE MODIFIED - I really don't
>> know how to put this in a way that you are capable of understanding. I
use
>> the word 'capable' as you are still banging on about stuff on the current
>> pages - the new site will address all sorts of things that people have
>> raised - even some of your comments might be noted !
>>
>> Yes I KNOW there are some lyrics pages that need to go up and all sorts
of
>> other little things, but as I have told you over and over these will all
>be
>> addressed on the new encarnation AND NOT BEFORE so for god's sake stop
>> repeating yourself like a stuck record - what do you really expect to
>> achieve? THE SITE IS BEING CHANGED - sorry, but I can only supply the
>facts;
>> I'm not in a position to give you the ability to absorb them.
>>
>> The new site will be online as soon as it fits in with all our other
>> projects, and yes, the 'missing' lyrics will be updated as soon as Dave
>> gives me them, along with a bunch of other stuff !
>>
>> "CRAP DESIGN" - ok so that's your opinion and you are entitled to that -
>> Here's mine - want an example of "crap design"? (your term)
>> visit: http://www.spiralrealm.com/guido/
>> The subtle use of "under construction" pages and blind links is
>astounding.
>> How we marvel at the "annoying little" spinning library-sourced animated
>> gif's. etc etc.
>>
>> You are obviously the master - wa cannot complete with the sheer
>brillience
>> of this site. It's astounding.
>>
>> By the way, www.bedouin.info comes on line Friday too, I'm sure you'll be
>> straight in there taking the piss - after all, as your site says, you are
>a
>> "web designer".
>>
>> Rx
>>