HW: WOTEOT

[Andrew Garibaldi]

Call me simple - but I just do NOT understand why bands such as Hawkwind,
Can, etc etc, who have VAST wealths of live and unreleased studio material
are not taking advantage of this and releasing stuff. Robat Voiceprint has
got the right idea by trying to release existing bootlegs on the market in
conjunction with the band so that the band gets the benefit not the
bootlegger and he is about the only one to get that right.
However, there is always the thorny subject of musicians. I won;t name names
(sorry) but I know several bands of interest to you here (or labels) who
would like to release archive material but simply CANNOT because ONE of the
key (or just plain band) members refuses to snaction the release, and it
only takes this to stop the release of any archive stuff. It must be
infuriating for both other group members and/or label owner, who can but
watch the bootleg market or MP3 circuit or whatever,flourish, but then I
suppose you can only say to the musician in that position to lighten up and
see the big picture - or at least see it from the fans point of view.
One band member actually said they wouldn;t sanction the release of any live
material by that band (no longer in existence) because of (a) the versions
weren;t THAT different from the studio album, and (b) the live versions had
the odd bum note in them!! The words "forest" and "trees" spring to mind.
So, until universal band peace and ego-loss break out "en masse", welcome to
the immoral world of MP3'ing (just kidding).
Andy G.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Fagin" <vulcanfoundry at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: HW: WOTEOT


> I couldnt agree more!
>
> Come on Hawkwind Management get you're Master Tapes in order.
>
> I sent my Earthed to the Ground LP  to Rob Ayling for re-mastering and
nich
> heard since. You're [Hawkwind Management] throwing away money.
>
>
> On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 01:15, you wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I know a few of you expressed interest in my mate's copy of Warrior.
Just
> > to let you know he's sold it for forty quid on Amazon.
> >
> > He's asked me to say thanks for the interest and all that - and if
there's
> > anyone who wanted it just for its musical qualities, he's ripped it out
to
> > MP3.  So, as WOTEOT is deleted, anyone who wants it contact me, and I'll
> > put you in touch with Sean.
> >
> > I think this is an aposite moment to discuss MP3s and rips of CDs. (and
it
> > might avoid some shouty matches on the list)
> >
> > Bear with me on this...
> >
> > We're all agreed that selling bootlegs is a *bad thing*.
> >
> > Most of us agree that trading bootlegs is a *good thing*
> >
> > When we say "bootlegs", we mean "recordings of Hawkwind (or other band -
> > for now I'll just say Hawkwind, but you know what I'm getting at) which
are
> > not commercially available, but have been recorded by some bloke with a
> > condenser mic or recorded by bribing the bloke on the sound desk".
> >
> > (I've just fired up BBC 6 Music (www.bbc.co.uk/6music) and they're
> > advertising Motorhead!!!!  1am GMT, 6/3/03)
> >
> > Now, this is an interesting one.  WOTEOT has been released twice, and
> > deleted twice.  If your mate offered you an MP3 copy of it, on a cheap
18p
> > CD for the price of a pint - not because it cost him the price of a pint
> > (to our American Friends - a pint is TWENTY fluid ounces - but that's by
> > the by) but because he wanted to give you this great music, does that
make
> > it pirated, bootleg or illegal?
> >
> > I know full well that it's both pirated *AND* illegal, but my point is
> > this...  (I'm probably not making myself clear here)
> >
> > If an album is deleted (as WOTEOT is), and you want to hear it, and your
> > mate owns a copy, is it immoral for him to tape (or CD) it and give you
a
> > copy knowing full well that you're going to keep it?
> >
> > My view is that if the thing's deleted, then there's no way you could
get a
> > copy that would give the band any profit, so - go for it, with the
thought
> > in the back of your hed that if you ever see that CD with that gorgeous
> > pink and blue Rodney Matthews cover, then you'll buy it.
> >
> > So if anyone wants the sounds of WOTEOT (rather than the full package!),
> > drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with Sean who can provide you
with
> > a copy of Warrior - but not the original any more.
> >
> > So, now he's sold it, is forty quid for the Dojo version a good price
(for
> > him!)?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rich.