HW Space Ritual

[mike coleman]

not meaning fans should be deprived of a show
I just mean we DON'T WANT those "casual listeners" ruining the chaos
I figure it's amazing the touring going on over there considering the band's
age, and I had the good fortune to make a few whirl-arounds when the getting
was there and I personally am resigned to them not appearing here again, etc






On 1/20/09, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> it's all madness, twisted madness......delicious, lovely, chaotic
> madness......(I think HW is bad news for the USA myself, as it SHOULD BE)
> I've just had a japanese Hawklords LP return to me after 7 years and a
> german one return several months ago
> what are the odds of that???
> I must seek relief from bumped LP corner sickness.......
>
>
>  On 1/20/09, gary shindler <bewlay68 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> I thought Hawkwind had a visa issue coming to the states. I know they
>> played that one festival on the east but...
>>
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>> ________________________________
>> From: mary <maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET>
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:26:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual
>>
>> You can imagine the expense of keeping Hawkwind on the road.  The sad part
>> was there was a lot of the country the didn't reach live, and that's a
>> shame.  It's just so big, and touring by bus and truck costs a lot.
>>
>> Kaduflyer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
>> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:40 PM
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual
>>
>>
>> Steve,
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>> I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to
>> keep a gigging band going.  For the level of fees being discussed, it is
>> virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost
>> have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything
>> as good as it can be.  When people live all over the country, this can be
>> very difficult to achieve.
>>
>> When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band
>> in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band,
>> and that all of their "fees"  were taken up in travel costs to and from
>> rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what
>> hope is there for anyone?
>>
>> Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I
>> sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing
>> musicians.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>> --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond <Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK> wrote:
>> From: Steve Pond <Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK>
>> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>> Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether:
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>> >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives
>>
>> There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to
>> go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the
>> country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal
>> room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily.
>>
>> So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is £10 on the door that's
>> half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000
>> divided by 6 which is £166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so
>> over 3 days each member earned £55 per day. probably less that they'd
>> generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty
>> close to minimum wage!
>>
>> You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove
>> a minimum of £500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc.
>>
>> That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = £83 per day each.
>>
>> And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow
>> people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid
>> before the band do.
>>
>> So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I
>> completely understand why they don't.
>>
>> ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be
>> hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it!
>>
>> -S.
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