(OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro)

[Town Idiot]

Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : (

On 3/10/11, Steve Freight <stevefreight at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now this quote is interesting
>
> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A and
> B side of the single as well as Dave�s hand-written notes from 1975 about
> track order and fades.

Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!!  thanks for
drawing me to your site!!

> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with the
> "scratch" in evidence.

Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be-
I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version
compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a
"bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the
Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!!


> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered from
> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at Doug's
> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had been
> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it.

I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a
test-prsssing


> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single version
> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before the
> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as both
> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu is
> longer.


AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for
the sake of discussion"

YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to
figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except
Atco

THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions-  the
guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the
single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL
Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to
have already been made from another set of masters.

I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I
repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there
3 of those??




> Steve
> *
> *
> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Poor Rob
>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper)
>> WILFRIED!!!
>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!!
>> NOW!!!!!~!~!
>>
>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA
>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and
>> > different than the Atco pressings.
>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a
>> > diff company?)
>> > hehehe
>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD.
>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular,
>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I
>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out.
>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire
>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a
>> > little nervous.
>> > hmmm
>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys
>> >
>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob
>> >> Griffin
>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html
>> >>
>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page.
>> >>
>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information
>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that album
>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums.  What
>> >> I
>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 albums,
>> >> and
>> >> it
>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill.  However,
>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that
>> contract
>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the
>> >> only
>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time.  So, the album was
>> >> actually
>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were
>> ATCO's
>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all.  And then, once the
>> >> album
>> >> was
>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) release
>> on
>> >> a
>> >> short-term licencing deal.  Which has long since expired, and hence EMI
>> >> has
>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album.
>> >>
>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, unfortunately.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound <lucidsound at IC24.NET>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master
>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut.  For example, the ATCO tapes
>> >>> are
>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy.  A copy of what?  The
>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A
>> >>> third
>> >>>generation copy?
>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard
>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a
>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly
>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have
>> a
>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of
>> >>> sound
>> >>>that might be expected.
>> >>
>> >
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