(OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro)

[Town Idiot]

Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can
have a SHORTER KOS??
If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it
that simple??

On 3/10/11, Town Idiot <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : (
>
> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight <stevefreight at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Now this quote is interesting
>>
>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A
>> and
>> B side of the single as well as Dave�s hand-written notes from 1975 about
>> track order and fades.
>
> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!!  thanks for
> drawing me to your site!!
>
>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with
>> the
>> "scratch" in evidence.
>
> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be-
> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version
> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a
> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the
> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!!
>
>
>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered
>> from
>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at
>> Doug's
>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had
>> been
>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it.
>
> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a
> test-prsssing
>
>
>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single
>> version
>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before
>> the
>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as
>> both
>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu is
>> longer.
>
>
> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for
> the sake of discussion"
>
> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to
> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except
> Atco
>
> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions-  the
> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the
> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL
> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to
> have already been made from another set of masters.
>
> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I
> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there
> 3 of those??
>
>
>
>
>> Steve
>> *
>> *
>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Poor Rob
>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper)
>>> WILFRIED!!!
>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!!
>>> NOW!!!!!~!~!
>>>
>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA
>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and
>>> > different than the Atco pressings.
>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a
>>> > diff company?)
>>> > hehehe
>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD.
>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular,
>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I
>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out.
>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire
>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a
>>> > little nervous.
>>> > hmmm
>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys
>>> >
>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob
>>> >> Griffin
>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html
>>> >>
>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page.
>>> >>
>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information
>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that
>>> >> album
>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums.
>>> >> What
>>> >> I
>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5
>>> >> albums,
>>> >> and
>>> >> it
>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill.
>>> >> However,
>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that
>>> contract
>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the
>>> >> only
>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time.  So, the album was
>>> >> actually
>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were
>>> ATCO's
>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all.  And then, once the
>>> >> album
>>> >> was
>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European)
>>> >> release
>>> on
>>> >> a
>>> >> short-term licencing deal.  Which has long since expired, and hence
>>> >> EMI
>>> >> has
>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up,
>>> >> unfortunately.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve
>>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound <lucidsound at IC24.NET>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO
>>> >>> master
>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut.  For example, the ATCO
>>> >>> tapes
>>> >>> are
>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy.  A copy of what?  The
>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master?
>>> >>> A
>>> >>> third
>>> >>>generation copy?
>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a
>>> >>> standard
>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a
>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly
>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could
>>> >>> have
>>> a
>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of
>>> >>> sound
>>> >>>that might be expected.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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