(OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro)

[mike c]

One more thing, apologies-
While nothing HW has ever been "bad" to me, I tend to like the
"message" of "KOS" better than the tune, Moorcock's version excepted,
and I confess to NEVER really knowing the difference between "single
version" and "album version". I always thought the song doesn't really
fit the record muscially.
so
I'm interested should anybody set me straight about that......

On 3/10/11, Town Idiot <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can
> have a SHORTER KOS??
> If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it
> that simple??
>
> On 3/10/11, Town Idiot <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : (
>>
>> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight <stevefreight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Now this quote is interesting
>>>
>>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A
>>> and
>>> B side of the single as well as Dave�s hand-written notes from 1975
>>> about
>>> track order and fades.
>>
>> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!!  thanks for
>> drawing me to your site!!
>>
>>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with
>>> the
>>> "scratch" in evidence.
>>
>> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be-
>> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version
>> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a
>> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the
>> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!!
>>
>>
>>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered
>>> from
>>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at
>>> Doug's
>>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had
>>> been
>>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it.
>>
>> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a
>> test-prsssing
>>
>>
>>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single
>>> version
>>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before
>>> the
>>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as
>>> both
>>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu
>>> is
>>> longer.
>>
>>
>> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for
>> the sake of discussion"
>>
>> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to
>> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except
>> Atco
>>
>> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions-  the
>> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the
>> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL
>> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to
>> have already been made from another set of masters.
>>
>> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I
>> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there
>> 3 of those??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Steve
>>> *
>>> *
>>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Poor Rob
>>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper)
>>>> WILFRIED!!!
>>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!!
>>>> NOW!!!!!~!~!
>>>>
>>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA
>>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and
>>>> > different than the Atco pressings.
>>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a
>>>> > diff company?)
>>>> > hehehe
>>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD.
>>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular,
>>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I
>>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out.
>>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire
>>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a
>>>> > little nervous.
>>>> > hmmm
>>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys
>>>> >
>>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob
>>>> >> Griffin
>>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some
>>>> >> information
>>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that
>>>> >> album
>>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums.
>>>> >> What
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5
>>>> >> albums,
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill.
>>>> >> However,
>>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that
>>>> contract
>>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the
>>>> >> only
>>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time.  So, the album was
>>>> >> actually
>>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were
>>>> ATCO's
>>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all.  And then, once the
>>>> >> album
>>>> >> was
>>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European)
>>>> >> release
>>>> on
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> short-term licencing deal.  Which has long since expired, and hence
>>>> >> EMI
>>>> >> has
>>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up,
>>>> >> unfortunately.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steve
>>>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound <lucidsound at IC24.NET>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO
>>>> >>> master
>>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut.  For example, the ATCO
>>>> >>> tapes
>>>> >>> are
>>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy.  A copy of what?  The
>>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master?
>>>> >>> A
>>>> >>> third
>>>> >>>generation copy?
>>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a
>>>> >>> standard
>>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a
>>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release
>>>> >>> properly
>>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could
>>>> >>> have
>>>> a
>>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of
>>>> >>> sound
>>>> >>>that might be expected.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>
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