:WOTEOT master tapes

Thu Mar 10 09:27:50 EST 2011

Hi Mike and Steve,
Mike, nice to see so many postings, looks like you are having fun.

Love to all,

Mary Tim and of course, Kosh 

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Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes

Apologies Mr. Frieght, I had just got up and I thought your were S.Youles
for a second only.
Timing variations according to LP versions as follows USA versions splits
Assault and Golden Void into 5:43 and 4: 28 where UK is 10:20 Wizard is 1:58
where UK is 2 Opa-Loka is 5:07. where UK is 5:40 (now THAT hurts!!!) The
Demented Man is 4:02 where UK is 4:20 Magnu 8:15 where UK is 8:40 Standing
At Edge is 2:47 where UK is 3:45 Spiral Galaxy is 3:47 where UK is 3:55
Warriors is 1:58 where UK is 2:05 Dying Seas is 3:02 where UK is 3:05 KOS is
3:29 where UK is 3:25

This outrage makes NO sense and I want my REFUNDS!!!  all 2 million of
them!!!!

On 3/10/11, Town Idiot <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can 
> have a SHORTER KOS??
> If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it 
> that simple??
>
> On 3/10/11, Town Idiot <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : (
>>
>> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight <stevefreight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Now this quote is interesting
>>>
>>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included 
>>> the A and B side of the single as well as Dave s hand-written notes 
>>> from 1975 about track order and fades.
>>
>> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!!  thanks for 
>> drawing me to your site!!
>>
>>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD 
>>> with the "scratch" in evidence.
>>
>> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- I have 
>> played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version compared to 
>> the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a "bump 
>> noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the Dojo 
>> version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!!
>>
>>
>>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was 
>>> mastered from vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and 
>>> the single)) at Doug's request as at the time the mater tapes were 
>>> not available*. *If it had been released after the Griffin version I 
>>> would not have bought it.
>>
>> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a 
>> test-prsssing
>>
>>
>>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single 
>>> version of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've 
>>> mentioned before the timings of some of the other songs differ to 
>>> make up the album time as both versions are the same length. Think 
>>> the intro on Dojo version of Magnu is longer.
>>
>>
>> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for 
>> the sake of discussion"
>>
>> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to 
>> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except 
>> Atco
>>
>> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions-  
>> the guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the 
>> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL Thus leaving 
>> that person to further claim that those versions seems to have 
>> already been made from another set of masters.
>>
>> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I 
>> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there
>> 3 of those??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Steve
>>> *
>>> *
>>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Poor Rob
>>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) 
>>>> WILFRIED!!!
>>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!!
>>>> NOW!!!!!~!~!
>>>>
>>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA 
>>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and 
>>>> > different than the Atco pressings.
>>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done 
>>>> > by a diff company?) hehehe Never compared to the Griffin CD.
>>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in 
>>>> > particular, alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable 
>>>> > flatish drum-sound. I suppose that is due to the copy process
Lucidsound pointed out.
>>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that 
>>>> > entire thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane 
>>>> > and even a little nervous.
>>>> > hmmm
>>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys
>>>> >
>>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what 
>>>> >> Rob Griffin (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on 
>>>> >> this page:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some 
>>>> >> information concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would 
>>>> >> explain why that album has never been part of the EMI reissues 
>>>> >> of 70's Hawkwind albums.
>>>> >> What
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 
>>>> >> albums, and it thus expired with the release of Hall Of The 
>>>> >> Mountain Grill.
>>>> >> However,
>>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that
>>>> contract
>>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was 
>>>> >> the only record contract that Hawkwind had at the time.  So, the 
>>>> >> album was actually recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means 
>>>> >> the master tapes were
>>>> ATCO's
>>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all.  And then, once 
>>>> >> the album was recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK 
>>>> >> (maybe European) release
>>>> on
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> short-term licencing deal.  Which has long since expired, and 
>>>> >> hence EMI has never had the rights to reissue the album.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, 
>>>> >> unfortunately.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steve
>>>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound 
>>>> >> <lucidsound at IC24.NET>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO  
>>>> >>>master tapes...however that is not all clear cut.  For example, 
>>>> >>>the ATCO  tapes  are not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a 
>>>> >>>copy.  A copy of what?  The equalised tape used to master the 
>>>> >>>vinyl? The original stereo master?
>>>> >>> A
>>>> >>> third
>>>> >>>generation copy?
>>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a  
>>>> >>>standard issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which 
>>>> >>>would impart a not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was 
>>>> >>>the release  properly mastered or just copied straight to CD? 
>>>> >>>All of these factors could  have
>>>> a
>>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the 
>>>> >>>transparency of  sound that might be expected.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree
>>>
>>
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