:WOTEOT master tapes

[Steve Freight]

I also remember buying a vinyl cut out from the US in a London shop that
specialised in such things.

Whilst I don't have this any more, my abiding memory (and why I got rid of
it) was that there was a gap between Assault and Void separating them as 2
tracks (an abrupt break, no fades) that pretty much made this unlistenable
to me.

You got a copy like that Mike?

Just off to listen to the album (Griffin of course).

Steve

On 10 March 2011 13:52, mike c <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apologies Mr. Frieght, I had just got up and I thought your were
> S.Youles for a second only.
> Timing variations according to LP versions as follows
> USA versions splits Assault and Golden Void into 5:43 and 4: 28 where
> UK is 10:20
> Wizard is 1:58 where UK is 2
> Opa-Loka is 5:07. where UK is 5:40 (now THAT hurts!!!)
> The Demented Man is 4:02 where UK is 4:20
> Magnu 8:15 where UK is 8:40
> Standing At Edge is 2:47 where UK is 3:45
> Spiral Galaxy is 3:47 where UK is 3:55
> Warriors is 1:58 where UK is 2:05
> Dying Seas is 3:02 where UK is 3:05
> KOS is 3:29 where UK is 3:25
>
> This outrage makes NO sense and I want my REFUNDS!!!  all 2 million of
> them!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/10/11, Town Idiot <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can
> > have a SHORTER KOS??
> > If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it
> > that simple??
> >
> > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : (
> >>
> >> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight <stevefreight at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Now this quote is interesting
> >>>
> >>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A
> >>> and
> >>> B side of the single as well as Dave�s hand-written notes from 1975
> >>> about
> >>> track order and fades.
> >>
> >> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!!  thanks for
> >> drawing me to your site!!
> >>
> >>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with
> >>> the
> >>> "scratch" in evidence.
> >>
> >> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be-
> >> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version
> >> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a
> >> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the
> >> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!!
> >>
> >>
> >>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered
> >>> from
> >>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at
> >>> Doug's
> >>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had
> >>> been
> >>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it.
> >>
> >> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a
> >> test-prsssing
> >>
> >>
> >>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single
> >>> version
> >>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned
> before
> >>> the
> >>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as
> >>> both
> >>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu
> >>> is
> >>> longer.
> >>
> >>
> >> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for
> >> the sake of discussion"
> >>
> >> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to
> >> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except
> >> Atco
> >>
> >> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions-  the
> >> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the
> >> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL
> >> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to
> >> have already been made from another set of masters.
> >>
> >> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I
> >> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there
> >> 3 of those??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Steve
> >>> *
> >>> *
> >>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Poor Rob
> >>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper)
> >>>> WILFRIED!!!
> >>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!!
> >>>> NOW!!!!!~!~!
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA
> >>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and
> >>>> > different than the Atco pressings.
> >>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by
> a
> >>>> > diff company?)
> >>>> > hehehe
> >>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD.
> >>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular,
> >>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I
> >>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out.
> >>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire
> >>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a
> >>>> > little nervous.
> >>>> > hmmm
> >>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
> >>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob
> >>>> >> Griffin
> >>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some
> >>>> >> information
> >>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that
> >>>> >> album
> >>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums.
> >>>> >> What
> >>>> >> I
> >>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5
> >>>> >> albums,
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >> it
> >>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill.
> >>>> >> However,
> >>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that
> >>>> contract
> >>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the
> >>>> >> only
> >>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time.  So, the album was
> >>>> >> actually
> >>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were
> >>>> ATCO's
> >>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all.  And then, once the
> >>>> >> album
> >>>> >> was
> >>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European)
> >>>> >> release
> >>>> on
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >> short-term licencing deal.  Which has long since expired, and hence
> >>>> >> EMI
> >>>> >> has
> >>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up,
> >>>> >> unfortunately.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Cheers
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Steve
> >>>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound <lucidsound at IC24.NET
> >
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO
> >>>> >>> master
> >>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut.  For example, the ATCO
> >>>> >>> tapes
> >>>> >>> are
> >>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy.  A copy of what?
>  The
> >>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo
> master?
> >>>> >>> A
> >>>> >>> third
> >>>> >>>generation copy?
> >>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a
> >>>> >>> standard
> >>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart
> a
> >>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release
> >>>> >>> properly
> >>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could
> >>>> >>> have
> >>>> a
> >>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency
> of
> >>>> >>> sound
> >>>> >>>that might be expected.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight
> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree
> >>>
> >>
> >
>



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